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Building A Defense. Part 2. A QB Hungry Defensive Line.

Everyone that read my part one understands that we need to bring back Tyvon Branch. Without him our defense goes back 5 years. Believe me everyone remembers how bad we were then. That might be a little too much credit for him but I really don't care he's the only consistent player that plays every down on the defense.

Huff, Wimbley, and Tommy Kelly are bringing down the defense. Not so much by their play but by their pay. With the new coach here I'm sure he's already thinking about to take care of this problem.

Simple. Trade Huff and Wimbley. Wimbley fits perfect in a 3-4 and Huff will play better in more of an all zone defense. Wimbley has to have some trade value after he destroyed Rivers under the lights. Huff made some plays but not enough for the amount of money he gets.

Restructure Kelly and he should accept he won't get paid much anywhere and let him retire a Raider right next to Seymour.

Now has anyone other then me noticed that our line is pretty much all UTs. Shaughnessy is a run stopping DE a good one I might add but other then that who's bringing that pass rush? We haven't had a pass rushing end since Burgess.

I figure Curry will play Von Miller in our new Donkey defense but who's going to play Dumervile? Shaughnessy is good and will give RTs in this league fits but he isn't a Dumervile.

Houston needs to be moved in the middle of the line. Bryant plays very good at times. Seymour had so many games where he made plays the first drive and then disappeared. This line didn't play like the same line that painted Cassel's jersey green the last game of the season last year.

Jarvis Moss and Mathew Shaughnessy are really the only DEs we have and can they bring the pain? Moss should be spelling Matt and can't be a starter.

So what do we do? Keep Wimbley and have him be a full time DE? FA? Draft?

I can't think of any rookie pass rushing DEs that make a big difference their rookie year. Especially when we have no NT clogging the middle.

We were so bad at stopping the run that we stacked our line with huge slow guys to fill the hole so our god damn high priced gun slinging MLB can hit the wrong hole and we forgot about the pass.

We need to dump the Kelly, dump the Wimbley, and dump the Huff, so we can find a NT, and a Dumervile for the new Donkfense.

So I am saying DE NT and FS are our biggest needs and if you read my part 1 FS is taken care of.

Without draft picks and little money to spend I don't see our defense much improving this year. Maybe it'll move up 5 spots in points allowed and our D cord will get offered a head coaching jump. Hey it happened in Denver.

My next post will have some of the late round gems we can maybe get in the draft at DE and NT. I gotta watch the senior bowl to see some of them play.

Poll
What's the biggest need on Defense?
DE
11 votes
NT
24 votes
LB
58 votes

93 votes | Poll has closed

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A NT is used for the 3-4 genious

If you think about a DT, then it is different. Matt Shaugnessy isnt a run stopping DE, he is a pss rusher all day. Wimbley should be traded, maybe for a 3rd round pick. Some idiot always bites. Huff, I dont know how I feel about him, he seems to be key at times like when Boyd got simply destroyed in that underthrow 70 yard gain for Calvin Johnson, Huff could have EASILY intercepted that, even if it was Johnson because it was an underthrow and Huff plays deep center field beautifully. I think we should trade Wimbley and Chris Johnson as a combo for a 2nd rounder. Again, some idiot will bite the trade. re-strucutre Kelly and then we haev Shaugnessy and Kelly as QB hunters. Taht is what they do, and Gte a DT through the draft, and keep Houston at DE, i think he ahd a sophomore slump, I feel the same way about McClain, but we seriosuly need an OLB to replace Wimbley, I feel good about McClain and Curry, McClain sophomore slump and Curry the other guy who played with heart, and well. Get that OLB through the draft too. I think we should go for Finnegan, opposite of Routt, Routt is overpaid and a lot of you are mad at him and thats the reason you say he sucks, believe me, we are blessed with Routt. While he isnt worth the money he is getting he is so much better than at least 25 other starters. He doesnt hold that much, BS penalties, did you see that INT against the Chiefs?? Only a top CB can do that. Finnegan and Routt at CB with DVD and Chekwa behind them. FS I think we should keep Huff….I dont know, I still have some faith in him, but he HAS to be re-structured. And finally SS. Obviously Branch earned the starting role and I guess it will be year 3 of Mitchell benching. I think he is very good but I dont think our safeties suck like a lot of people do. On offense the only thing we need is to get better at the right side of the line, and get a LG cause Wiz should be moving to C as Satele isnt good. The O-Line is it on O. You ask for a red zone threat but I think we already have it…Boss is great in the red zone but he was mis used in an ugly way. He is a blocking TE that turns into a sleeper in the redzone, look at his TD catch in the last game, plus Ausberry is there.
Draft:
2nd round (Wimbley, Johnson) – Lavonte David OLB Nebraska, 6’1’’ 225lbs.
3rd round comp pick for Nnamdi – Bobby Massie OT Mississippi 6’6’’ 325.
4th round comp pick for Zach – Malik Jackson DE Tennessee 6’5’’ 270.
5th round – Tom Compton OT South Dakota 6’5’’ 314
6th (a BS trade nobody cares about) – Chris Gallipo MLB USC 6’2’’ 250.
7th round – Jaye Howard DT Florida 6’3’’ 292.
Lets add some depth and fill holes on D. The rest we can comb the waiver wire and take care of it in Free Agency. McKenzie is known to be a great talent evaluator, This is what I think we should do but I trust Big McK. I think Zach and Nnamdi were great free agents and we should get those comp picks….

by RaiderPride20 on Jan 28, 2012 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

Haha ok Pal

1. In a 4-3 you’re suppose to have a NT and a DT= 3 Technique
NT- stuffs the A gap between the center and guard.
DT- Stuffs the strong side B gap between the guard and tackle
2.Calling Shaugnessy and Kelly QB hunters is a false statement. Shaugnessy though good cannot go up against the better LTs in this league on every down. Kelly is so inconsistent it’s crazy. He kills Rivers on national tv but when the playoffs are on the line he’s no where to be found.
3. Huff is decent and we can’t afford him. He won’t re-structure
4. I like having Wiz and Veldheer on the same side. Joe Barksdale could grab a starting spot on the Oline he came in a lot for injuries.
5. Boss had some key drops and when did I ever ask for a red zone threat?
6. Everyone wants a LB but with this league going into a passing only kind of league we shouldn’t have 3 linebackers on the field the whole game. Goethel, Scott, and I’m hoping Sean Spence will be able to handle the other backer spot.

by raiderfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to see Kelly moved

Ever since the anointed next great D tackle by the gregarious and full of shit Warren Sapp Kelly has completely underachieved. The over sized contract which was considered ridiculous at the time, and lack of consistency and production are a bad combination. This is why I wanted to trade Tommy Kelly for Aaron Curry for which I took some heat. I wanted that salary gone he’s a great interview but I think it’s his strength and that’s not what we pay him for. I also thought we could have maybe got a pick in return as well.

Barks wasn’t bad last year he just needs to be in better shape. He wore down a little too quick last year and seemed to struggle at guard but fared ok at Right Tackle. When he and Campbell played next to each other in the pre they where bulldozing well for bush and Taiwan…

Shaugnessy has a great motor but is pretty consistent at over pursing on runs to his side.

Trevor Scott that experiment has come and gone…

Goethel call me when he’s healthy…

90 Bryant, Desmond RDE 6-5 290 26 3 Harvard N/A maybee better suited at DT

79 Henderson, John RDT 6-7 335 33 10 Tennessee $2,500,000 Resign
99 Houston, Lamarr LDE 6-3 305 24 2 Texas $405,000 move to Tackle

93 Kelly, Tommy RDT 6-6 300 31 8 Mississippi State $5,500,000 Trade please
94 Moss, Jarvis RDE 6-7 260 27 5 Florida $1,250,000 plyed better this year at times
91 Scott, Trevor LDE 6-5 255 27 4 Buffalo $555,000
92 Seymour, Richard LDT 6-6 310 32 11 Georgia $15,000,000 for what? Failed experiment
77 Shaughnessy, Matt DE 6-5 270 25 3 Wisconsin $480,000

Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP

by samiam2112 on Jan 29, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Building a defense

So many things went wrong with our D last year. We can blame injuries or actually address and fix the problems. 1. Our DBs were torched all year. Moving to a 3-4 will help. The Chim will help help next year, but we need to move Huff and is huge contract. If we dump Huff we can afford Finnegan and move Chim to FS. Locking up Branch is a must. We should also look at Kentucky saftey Winston Guy. He is very under rated and will be available in the later rounds. The kid is a run stuffing tight end stopping machine. 2. Get some pressure. What happen to Seymore this year? Six sacks 29 tackles for 15 million. Really? The Silver and Black faithful will not like this but fact are facts. If he acted like leader on the field I would not have an issue with him, but false starts, ejections etc. My answer look to the draft. We should be getting a comp pick somewhere in the 3rd round Michigans Mike Martin. Love this guy. Can also play NT. It’s time to trim some fat or restructure some salaries and I think Mckensie is the guy for the job. The way he handled the Hue situation tells me that the old cronie ways are over. Time to stop paying players for there past accomplishments. Last thought can someone explain where or how Shaughnessy will fit in a 3-4. Love the guy but to big to play OLB and to small to be a DE in a 3-4. Trade bait maybe? Would hate to see him go, but he would hold value for a draft pick or trade for a pressing need.

by moe dee on Jan 28, 2012 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Simple as this: We are not moving to a 3-4 D

Allen runs a 4-3 and Shaugnessy is too small to play DE in the 3-4 and too big for OLB. This would be if it happens, but it wont. Stop pimping it cause we wont get it

by RaiderPride20 on Jan 28, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

3-4D

All early indications point to Da Raiders moving to a 3-4 defensive scheme. Seeing that McKenzie won a super the second year he switched to a 3-4 D makes me believe that it’s a done deal. Furthermore the Raiders played a 3-4 scheme from 1981-1989, being that McKenzie was drafted in 1984 by Da Raiders is another indications that we are switching scheme’s. And I am glad that you see my point about Shaugnessy not fitting into a 3-4. Don’t need to pimp the facts playa…it’s just facts!

by moe dee on Jan 28, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

How does McKenzie playing in a 3-4 make it more likely for us to switch??

Dude we brought in a pure 4-3 guy in Allen, we are sticking to the 4-3….I would place 50k in the bank that we are sticking to the 4-3, you didnt really think that one much did you?

by RaiderPride20 on Jan 28, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

3-4 D

Raider Pride Allen was a coach in Atlanta under Wade Phillips who runs a 3-4 D. He has also run 4-3 schemes in New Orleans and helped switch Denver back to a 4-3. He is not one dimensional. He has had success in both schemes, but seeing that our run stopping ability is non existent I believe we will switch. If we play to our rosters strength we will be switching Ds. Oh ya..keep your 50 grand under your mattress.

by moe dee on Jan 28, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh sweet jesus.

1. Allen can run either defense.
2. Andre Carter DE for the patriots weighs around 255lbs and Tamba Hali and Mario Williams all way more then Shaugnessy and are LBs on a 3-4 we will see where he fits best.
3. McKenzie playing in a 3-4 defense has nothing to do with us now. On the field Allen is the boss and in the office it’s McKenzie.
4. Don’t put 50 K in the bank invest in a new stadium,

by raiderfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

the biggest fix

we need on defense, it’s the penalty issue. Penalties were a huge issue for the defense. They did a break down during a game of the Raider penalties between offense, defense and how many of those penalties were presnap. Out of offense and defense the majority of the penalties were committed by the defense. Our #1 cornerback had around 20 penalties called on him and it seemed like half were pass interference calls. Fix the penalty issue and the rest shall follow.

by bslack32 on Jan 28, 2012 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

I call BS on this one.

We hit Rivers 5-10 more times we go to the playoffs as the most penalized team in history.

by raiderfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Oakland defense allmost the same amount of penalties as Green Bay defense

Yet they made the playoffs…

Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP

by samiam2112 on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

a top 3 QB

and a defense that can get turnovers can do that. Unfortunately we currently don’t have either.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 29, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My point was penalties were only part of the issue...

Discipline is needed absolutely, and so is an upgrade of some key spots on the D.

Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP

by samiam2112 on Jan 29, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 29, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao raiderfan21

i really believ that our needs on d is a d.tackle, henderson is old and his knees are getting worse. also another lb, midlle and outside help. finally db’s meaning we need good corners and then our d should be good. a good dc for the d with allens hand on it.

by sports with steve on Jan 29, 2012 8:36 PM PST reply actions  


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