QB situation for 2012
As most of you know I am a Palmer supporter, but I would like to get a feel of where the entire Nation is regarding the QBs for the comming season. People argue that Campbell didnt turn it over and looked in sync and others argue Palmer didnt have an offseason and should be given time. Some people dont like Palmer due to the fact he was the one broughtin to ''stab Campbell in the back'' and think he was overpaid. Now, I do think we overpaid, but Palmer can still prove he is worth it by making something happen next season. No doubt he has the physical tools but he made some questionable decisions at times. With that being said I think Palmer is safe to at least get to training camp and show he still has it. But anything can happen, what do you think we should do?? Feel free to give your feedback on the situation or ideas not mentioned in this post (I didnt really give away ANY ideas but oh well). Please no Palmer loving or Campbell loving bias though, real opinions on what is best for the Raiders, peace.
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Palmer should stay the two years on his contract
and mentor Pryor. Will this happen? no fuckin clue. But Palmer showed more than just flashes of brilliance. And Pryor isnt a great “thrower” and needs a mentor. Where else should we go? Draft a qb again? No. Freeagency? no. Resign JCamp? no.
Best case scenario is that he restructures, which i dont think he will.
Dangerously? Yea.
+1
I wouldn;t mind to resign campbell for dirt cheap doubt it will happeend but he can also mentor tp
True, one year contract?
it would just be a lot of money put into the qb position but Palmer can easily get injured too. i was upgrades on the Oline…BADDDDDDDDD
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Jan 29, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ideally
Keep Palmer, let him have a full offseason of work outs, working with his healthy receivers, TE’s, RB’s, and importantly the line. His football knowledge is strong, he will become more familiar with certain defenses, and he should know the playbook. He showed flashes of brilliance in many games (as well as some of the most boneheaded mistakes I’ve ever seen). I like, nay love, the prospect of Palmer, DMC, and the combo of Moore/DHB/ Ford for our offense. Unlike the media, I think it could be a top 10 offense. Alas, this is just an ideal proposal. Given the nature of the NFL and our new management, who knows what our offense will look like next season. We shall see.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 29, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions
Palmer
If the Raiders get rid of Palmer they still owe the Bengals a draft pick. How is that the right thing to do? Sign JC and get rid of Boller. He was Hue guy and doubt that he makes the team. The third sting guy is TP.
Sounds like a good idea
if Jason wants to hang around, but that’s a big if. He still considers himself a NFL starter and wants to prove it. He wants to start somewhere and it’s probably not gonna be here. So if he has a chance to start elsewhere he’s gone.
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I say Palmer
I like the way Palmer hits Moore in full stride, not having to stop and jump for the ball the way he was with JC. The other thing JC needs to do is learn how to SLIDE when he is running with the ball, a slide would have prevented a broken collar bone. Just these two issues I’ve mentioned about the two men make me choose Palmer. Will we see either of them this year? Who knows, I certainly don’t, I will say I sure would like to see what Palmer does with a whole off season to prepare though.
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
I would love to see
what Palmer can do with a full training camp with healthy weapons. His ceiling is a lot higher than Campbell’s. Campbell is going to want to be starter somewhere else. He will only resign in Oakland as a backup if he doesn’t get an offer to compete for a number 1 spot. More than likely a veteran backup will be signed and Pryor will stay 3rd string for another year.
Resign Campbell and make it an open QB competition.
Yep. I said it.
Simply put, I don’t trust Carson’s decision making. Also, this is “No Man’s Land” for Carson – Hue is gone. I do believe that Palmer will win the QB competition, but having Campbell as a backup is the next best thing – especially if Palmer’s decision making does not improve at all.
We all have to remember: We cannot be vertical all of the time. Vertical doesn’t help in 1st and goal – something Carson in addition to the playcalling did not do well with. Also, Depensing on what WR we get IF we get a Free agent WR, the system might go more toward route running – which suite Ford, DHB, Boss, and every other WR on the team better than just going deep all the time.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Jan 29, 2012 8:18 PM PST reply actions
palmer is the starter, pyror needs more work with palmer, and what about campbell?
who is going to sign campbell after last years injury. i say the raiders will sign him and see what happens there.
by sports with steve on Jan 29, 2012 8:32 PM PST reply actions
this
exactly. campbell is a patient game manager. carson is an impatient gunslinger. we just have to tell carson to throw it away more often instead of trying to force impossible passes/
Plus Just A Little More Help From A "WR" Coach Who Can Instruct Them About Making A Play On The Ball...
W have a nice young core of "WR"s and they can/have done allot but one thing I see lacking is their playing to protect against the "Int"s but that’s something the great "WR"s can do…I think this can be taught???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Im not saying carson's picks weren't his fault but...
a lot of time carson made a great play he was throwing into a window that if the receiver didn’t make a great catch then there was a good chance that it would be picked. i think that when he gets an offseason with his wide outs he’ll have way less turnovers. a lot of those picks game in like 2 1/2 meltdown games. That being said he does have a history of throwing a lot of interceptions in years when he has had preseasons and chemistry with his wide receivers.
The Key Is Keeping Our "OC" -w- Palmer At "QB" -n- "OL" Coaches Too!!!
“CP3” has proven the ability to run this “O” and will be even better at it with a full off season of prep and full training camp…
Al Saunders’ PlayBook should never leave the Raiders…Possible to have another Play Caller but keeping Al is a priority for this top 10 “O” to survive…
Gary Crowton “OC” Of The Ducks….Play Caller Perhaps?
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=177767
I would like this if we keep Al Saunders as "OC" so we don’t have to alter the terminology and such…Maybe make a new position for him as "Assistant HC-O"….
"Tebowphobe"!!!
The only way to keep Saunders is to promise him play calling duties i think
I absolutely want to see this though! Saunders staying with the offense keeps a relative consistency over the past few years and would make the players feel much more comfortable going into the season.
Terminology though will have to change a fair amount, Hue is going to be somewhere and who knows, if we dont change it up then we could end up with another Gruden moment where we get into an important game and a coach on the opposite side knows all the things we are saying. Once the head coach is changed, terminology has to change too IMO.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Palmer is our guy right now
I’d love to be able to also resign Campbell so that we have a solid QB situation in case of injury, but I know it’s very unlikely.
It’s also easy to forget that Palmer didn’t get to play a single game with DMC and was without Moore and Ford a lot. I’d love to see what a healthy Palmer lead offense could do with a full off-season.
Plus, I think keeping Palmer around would be great for DHB’s continued development, because that kid is really starting to come into his own as a very solid WR. Another QB change could set that back somewhat.
I’m hopeful that with a full offseason that Palmer will clean up some of his inconsistencies. I know he’s always been a bit turnover prone, but I do think a lot of the ones he threw this season were due to rust and inadequate time with a lot of the receivers.
If you disregard the INT's Palmer threw
in his first couple games, since he basically came in completely cold (no offseason, new system, new players, not having played in over a year). Palmer’s numbers are actually pretty solid. Despite the circumstances under which he played, Palmer still completed 60% of his passes, threw 13 TDs, was 7th in the NFL in yds/G, 5th in yds/Att, and still finished 21st overall in Total Passing Yards despite playing in only 10 games.
Palmer definately
We have committed to much to Palmer to back out this early. I really wish Campbell would have just slid because I think we had a really good thing going, but even with all the crucial injuries we were one game away from the division so I think the potential for a Carson Palmer led is high. Regardless of the thoughts on the trade, it happened and we have to put the best players we have on the field and I think we all are in agreement that Palmer has a much more proven career than Campbell. Palmer is going to be good and I think he has a good attitude towards the Raiders for saving him from retirement, once he gets confidence in this system we are gonna be rolling. Our division is up for grabs and I think with the weapons we have we can outscore anybody, Lets work on the D coaches!
Palmer.
Send Boller packing faster than the wind leaves a duck’s ass.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 31, 2012 4:42 PM PST reply actions
I hope they resign Campbell and let him compete with Palmer for the starting qb position and let the best man win.
I believe that Palmer will win out because he can loft the ball better than Campbell, but the team seems to rally so well behind Campbell and we have yet to see Campbell’s full upside as he was still developing when he got hurt. On the other hand, Palmer has had no real justice starting midseason – it was like trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. I believe Palmer felt the pressure tremendously with the expectations of HAVING to take the Raiders to the playoffs, as he himself said, this season was “failure” regarding his acquisition because we did not go to the playoffs. I cannot exclude the possibility that, although he does throw interceptions, many of them were due to performance pressure and to developing timing with his receivers. I expect him to clean most of that up with a full offseason of practice.
1. CP 2. JC 3.TP
I might be old school here, but results are results:
By definition West Coast Offense means placing more emphasis on passing than running.
That being said, Plunkett who used a Davis verticle form of the WCO,
When Plunkett came here:
1. Heisman winner
2. Age 32
3. 8 NFL
4. 13000 yds
5. 61% QB rating
6. 117 int
7. 1994 attempts
8. Results: 2 Superbowl Championships
When Palmer came here:
1. Heisman winner
2. Age 32
3. 8 yrs NFL
4. 22,000 yds
5. 86% QB rating
6. 100 int
7. 3200 attempts
8. Results: Build the rest of the team, and the results could be the same as Plunketts
You guys realize that we could go all the way next year, right?
Just sayin….
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