2012 Raiders NFL Mock Draft; Compensatory Picks and a Trade Included
by ASwaim3 on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 PM PST
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PrintRound 3: Compensatory Pick for Nnamdi Asomugha
Brandon Boykin (CB-Georgia)
- Boykin is a fast corner with good punt returning skills, but more importantly a good tackler. He also usually has good awareness and doesn't get called for many stupid penalties. Character and good fundamentals far outweigh 5'9" anyday of the week
Round 4: Compensatory Pick for Zach Miller
Doug Martin (RB-Boise State)
- Martin is highly underrated because of what Kellen Moore did for 3 years at Boise State. This last season, I got a good look at Doug Martin and think he's the perfect compliment to Mike Bush and Darren McFadden. I think either Bush or McFadden will be gone, and Martin will be the replacement. Steal here.
Round 4: Pick acquired in trade of DeMarcus Van Dyke
Tavon Austin (WR-West Virginia)
- Van Dyke was for sure an Al Davis pick. The fastest man at the combine. But with Huff moving to CB, and Chimdi Chekwa being able to play free safety behind Giordano, DVD has no place here, especially with Boykin in Round 3. With his speed though, Austin'll be a Raider. We could always relish a 4th speedster to go with Ford, Moore, and DHB, especially if they can't stay healthy. The kid lit it up in the Orange Bowl, and I honestly have no clue where he will go. For now, I'll put a 4th round grade on him and call him a Raider.
Round 5: Our Pick: Traded to NYJ for Greg McElroy
- Here's my link to why I think this is worth it. All and all, McElroy probably should have been a fourth or fifth rounder, and the Jets won't want him back, and he is a much need upgrade to Boller, and Pryor is just a project at this point.
Round 5: Compensatory Pick for Robert Gallery
Donte Paige-Moss (DE-UNC)
- Although a head case, this guy reminds me of Carlos Dunlap. The Bengals reigned him in, and now he's a Pro Bowl quality defensive end. Another steal, and Paige-Moss could play in the 3-4 or the 4-3. Very versatile.
Round 6: Our Pick
Ryan Miller (OG-Colorado)
- This guy is from my hometown of Columbine, CO. I saw him maul all of Colorado 5A High School football, and he was the only mainstay on a putrid Buffaloes O-Line. He will be starting at right guard for us in two years when Carlisle is gone.
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Call me a total homer
But I want LaMichael James.
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by Ozraider on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Haha.. USC beat Oregon!
Trojans all day lol
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
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Got lucky cheaters!
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Pffffft Inly because we missed a kick at the end
Rosebowl champs baby!
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by Ozraider on Jan 5, 2012 3:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
watch out for USC this year
bowl eligible and Barkley is coming back… BCS here we come!!
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
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That may be so but the reduction in scholarships will kick in over the next few years as well.
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by Ozraider on Jan 5, 2012 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wont Matter
Ducks will roll the Pac next year! Book it!
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La Micheal is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Love me some LeMichael too
He might have a tough time at his size I think in the pros but his quickness and elusiveness should hopefully counteract those. Unfortunately, I don’t see a need at RB on this team as it stands right now.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
He reminds me a little bit of a Warrick Dunn type back
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The advisory board told him to expect to be around a third round pick which we will hopefully get as a compensatory pick.
I doubt we would draft a RB that high with Taiwan hopefully ready to go but still.
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wow, you've already penciled in Huff as a starter at cb and you've completely forgotten about the interior d-line
I don’t know about that.
First and foremost, the Raiders have Taiwan Jones so they probably won’t be picking another back.
The Raiders need pressure and run support, that means defensive line and linebacker.
You know when you go to the basketball court and the other team has the big man and everyone kind of knows who is going to win. That’s the feeling teams get when they get out to the field and they know that the biggest baddest guys are on the other team.
For the Raiders to regain the dominance of the past, they cannot rely on just Kelly, and two guys who are getting old and cannot play a full season, Seymour and Henderson.
I guarantee you, they will draft defensive line and linebacker.
Round 4: Compensatory Pick for Zach Miller
I’d been told we lost this pick by signing Boss. Is this for sure? Or is this pick for Gallery?
the only thing that changed was the round of the pick since Boss's salary was so low
It’s on the value chart. Miller salary was I think 8 without incentives, Boss’s was 3 without incentives, so we went from getting a 3rd to a 4th
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
comp picks
I think these are right. Boss cancels out Howard. Heyer cancels out Gradkowski.
5'9" CB are doomed and not going to have impact in this league much longer see road kill! Have him tackle Brandon Jacobs!
Boykin is a fast corner with good punt returning skills, but more importantly a good tackler. He also usually has good awareness and doesn’t get called for many stupid penalties. Character and good fundamentals far outweigh 5’9" anyday of the week
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Small corners are not for this league anymore
Id say you should at least be 5’11’’ to be able to compete, look at lito getting beat by SDs basketball players, its tall and strong guys league now. I dont think we need to adress the secondary, I think we need to get a CB (Ive said I think Finnegan is the best option) out of FA, put him to the other side of Routt, trade Huff for a 3rd rounder, trade Seymour for a 2nd rounder (someone will bite believe me) and move Sheppard to FS, like Rod Woodson did when he started being ineffective at CB. Make Tyvon and Mitchell battle it out for SS and keep Chekwa and DVD at backup, werent they rookies?? They wont be Asomughas their first year. The 2nd rounder should be used on a BIG nose tackle and the 3rd rounder on a LB, I really want to switch to a 3-4, IF Spagnuolo comes then keep the 4-3 and use the picks on D-Linemen and get some depth at LB in Free Agency, no need for paycuts since Huff and Seymour have huge salaries, it would free up a lot of space
i agree with finnegan
we need a quality corner no more gambles! i say in the third round we get get a defensive end or defensive tackle. may be linebacker if there are still good ones left at that point!
No small corners
Good call ! No more small corners 5’11 is good but its like they almost have to be it leased 6’0 to cover these big and tall wide receivers
As much as DVD struggled
I doubt you would trade him to ultimately end up with another receiver. Even though you draft one a round earlier, the position is still paper thin, as I’m sure Lito Sheppard won’t be back, and not sure Chris Johnson can be relied upon next year. I also do not see any linebackers in the group, as long as Daryl Blackstock is on the roster, this is a position of need.
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Deep need,,, part of the problem
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Why one earth would the Raiders be looking WR in the draft or FA???
The WR corps is good. No needs there. If you want to look offense, OL is a need for improvement on the right side more than WR. depth at RB would only be necessary of the Raiders don’t keep Bush (have to keep Reece without a doubt).
IMO the Raiders need help at LB and secondary more than anything else. The LBs can’t shed blocks and the DBs are in need of some tackling/taking angles practice in a bad way! I would think #1 priority is at LB though. Ro guesses more often than reads the play, and often is out of position for guessing wrong. He, and Curry struggle to shed blocks. Both KW and Curry don’t establish the edge.
I think to be a good defense, you need at least one star at every level. Raiders have it on the DL, with Seymour, and Kelley (Houston regressed this year, and Shanny was hurt). So there they are good. LB has no stars. DBs, well the closest is Routt, but he struggled at times as a #1 this year.
Bottom line, look to improve the D, and right side of the line (LG too if Satele leaves, that will force baby Wiz to the middle).
We need a back field captain to call plays cause Ro sucks at it!
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Thank you for stateing what most of us see as obvious, Let Reggie draft at least one linebacker
I have seen enough of the TE’s wide open. San Diego’s punter never stepped on the field.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Lewis is good, my favorite is Shayne Skov
But we probably would have to trade up.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Dont want to pick a fight but this mock draft is pretty bad to be honest
1st of all, this team has a playoff offense already, a franchise QB in Palmer, a Star RB, a speed back in T. Jones, the Best FB in Football reece and an up and coming receiver core, i feel DHB will be a superstar next year joined by Dmoore and flash ford will be a nice compliment in the slot. We are an athletic TE short, and could use a very big WR later in the draft, sick of Schilens and Murphy. We have a very good young line with 2 future probowlers on the left side, a serviceable center with satele, and two youngsters on the rightside with Barksdale at RG and Campbell at RT.
Our biggest concerns on Defense are that the talent hasn’t been coached correctly. Del Rio would do wonders in making this a 3-4 defense. Seymour or Kelly will be traded for a pick IMO and I feel Houston will be used as Jay Ratliff in Dallas as a rush NT. Seymour or Kelly will take RDE and Shaughnessy will take LDE. Honestly I feel McClain will play alot better at his natural position of a 3-4 ILB and Curry and Wimbley will do pretty good at the OLB positions. The defensive backfield is a mess, Branch will be gone I think because of his lack of coverage improvement, sheppard will be gone, Chekwa will learn to be a FS, Routt had a pretty decent year, and the DVD trade you posted sounds ridiculous. Though his turn and catch insticts are raw, you’d be hardpressed to find a rookie corner that can shadow his man the way DVD shadows is, you can be coached on how to locate the ball, not how to cover.
As for the Mock Draft:
3rd Rounder for Seymour or Kelly trade: Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma (make him the other ILB next to Ro), the surest tackler in college football, fiery, leader, the best coverage LB in college. But at only 6’2 228 his draft stock pre injury was in the late 20’s of the 1st round. After his foot injury this year, a lot scouts have him as a 3rd round pick in the mid 80’s, we could slide right in and take this future star. His biggest flaw is that his size forces him to win the leverage game on every play and at times blows up the lineman instead of the ballcarrier at the line, that’s why 10 other players play the game, he rarely gets blocked out of the play though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtNJ13-gdg&feature=related
3rd Rounder for Aso: Trumaine “Tru” Johnson CB Montana
A big physical corner who has rare size and speed and coverage skills at 6’2 210.
He is the unknown Aso of College Football, rarely gets the ball thrown his way. He is also a great tackler and has rare fluidity in his hips for his size, this guy has Raider written all over him. His biggest flaw is in the open field he at times he trust his insticts too much when in run support. His 40 time is in the 4.4’s and is very good in Zone and Man coverage. This guy would be a great addition to our DB’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twoBOATPVdw
4th rounder for Miller: Tommy Streeter 6’5 215 WR Miami
A monster at 6’5 and blazing speed with good hands. Like Richard Gordon was not utilized correctly at Miami so his production was very low in Miami. After watching Calvin Johnson dominate with his size and speed I want that weapon for Palmer. With coaching this kid can be a huge weapon for CP3 and a steal. His biggest flaw is that he is known as a workout warrior that disappears on the field. My feeling is that Jacory Harris isnt the QB CP3 is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktiht1GyiTA
5th Rounder ours:Ladarius Green TE La-Lafayette 6’6 236
Mckenzie will want to build this team like the packers and this kid has Jermichael Finley written all over him, with his size he runs 4.4 40 and has huge soft hands and amazing leaping ability. In the open field he is rarely caught from behind, and when he is he is rarely brought down, often carries several defenders. His blocking is a work in process but his receiving would be a huge weapon over the middle for Carson Palmer. This kid will be the steal of the century. His biggest flaw is blocking but has a great work ethic so it shouldnt be a problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIY2E556BdY
5th Rounder for Gallery: Tramain Thomas Arkansas FS 6’ 195
With the recent news of Huff moving officially to CB in 2012 we need a FS and this kid is the cerebral ball hawk and heat seaking missile we’ve been praying for, he is a very sure tackler and had 12 ints in college. He is a good read and react player but is a bit undersized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnDZpTFQxJc
6th Rounder ours: Donte Moss UNC 6’4 260 DE
Untapped potential, good size to have as a 3-4 rush backer, just needs to be coached correctly but this kid can be a super star.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLGOImoth1E
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 PM PST reply actions
Solid post, NATIONS. Glad to see something realistic put together, not just “hey let’s do this” without an understanding of the reality of business and football.
by Big_Ant on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
the raiders will not trade Seymour or Kelly
these guys are great players. What we lack is depth behind these guys and size to stop the run consistently.
Have you ever watched football? Seymour gets little penetration except against extremely inferior opponents. Kelly is doing very well, I’ll give that one. Trading Seymour would be a great move.
by Big_Ant on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
disagree
Seymour may not be doing as great on the inside against the run as we would like. BUT if we switch to the 3-4 he moves back outside where he played in NE AND he gives us veteran leadership in the locker room. There is a reason Norv Turner has destroyed every team he has been a head coach of. he gets rid of the veteran leadership on the team. He did it in oakland when he was there, by getting rid of jerry rice, tim brown, jerry porter, charlse woodson. and then did the same in SD by getting rid of LT, merriman, comartie, brees.
when we got veteran leadership back in the locker room we began to improve. and we have depth at the d-line if they can stay healthy
Seymour is too much of a leader to trade and Kelly played 4-3 DE not 3-4 DE before like Seymour
That’s a huge difference. I also feel Seymour’s contract is not tradable at 15 per but Kelly’s at 8 per for his production is. We can net a 3rd rounder for Tommy Kelly. Switching to a 3-4, we will not keep both because one will have to be benched and neither will swallow that pride and plus that’s a lot for a backup for either. LDE Shaugnessy Rush NT Houston (watch the chaos Jay Ratliff causes in Dallas and they are the same size) and RDE Kelly/Seymour. You make the decision.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Big_Ant, Seymour was injured for three to four weeks there.
But since before and after, he played great. Both those guys, Seymour and Kelly are great rushing the passer but they need help from #77, who was injured, and #99 was more of a run stopper. Trading Seymour would be a terrible move, he is a great leader as well as player when he isn’t hurt.
Kelly had a good year at DT, we just need depth and help on running downs.
Is Houston and Ratliff the same size?
so you are saying they are both good players
Okay so who sits? Lamarr Houston who many scouts consider a star in the making? Not a lot of people want to play NT in the NFL, and are you going to sit or trade Shaughnessy who many scouts consider a star in the making? A move would also give great cap relief. We have been famously a team with a pash rush that cant stop the run. Let’s change it up and stop the run for once!! We have pass rushers in Wimbley and Curry, do you see the steelers to worried about hey we need a NT and DE’s on our line to rush the passer? No, can you stay put and stop the run is the key in a 3-4.
Don’t be surprised if the season ends you see Kelly has been traded for 3rd round pick. We are switching to a 3-4 so who is the odd man out? And what is the NT’s job? stay put don’t fall back and keep one hand free, something Houston does great.
One will be dealt for the betterment of the team, my feeling is its kelly, free up 8 million, get another pick, and improve the run defense. I for one am sick of seeing both our DT’s in a 4-3 push up the field too far and outrun the QB and the RB and us get gashed as a result.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
links to these scouts who think houston and #77 are stars in the making
not that i disagree but it means nothing without evidence.
Look all over ESPN buddy, Hell I remember Bill Williamson(who im not much of a fan of)
Had a report during training camp with about 4 or 5 scouts drooling over Houston and Shaugnessy saying don’t be surprised if they are pro bowlers this year. Let me find it.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
here you go
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/27796/soon-to-be-stars-lamarr-houston
looking for the shaugnessy one, i found it but when you click it its taking you to another link, he was named one of the future stars of the AFC West, along with Dmoore and Houston
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Norv Turner didn't have the authority to trade away the waterboy
Tim Brown & Jerry Rice were at the end of their careers, played one season for Tampa & Seattle then retired; as for Woodson – Asomugha was beginning his all-pro career, Al should have kept the two together; Porter was a bust; Al let these players all walk away in free agency and got nothing in return.
I LIKE THIS!
I DONT PUT MY STOCK INTO ROOKIES AS MUCH YOU KNOW SOME GOOD PLAYERS!. WILL THEY GET DRAFTED BY US. WE WILL SEE WHAT MCKENZIE SEES!
The Packers build their teams from the draft
They’re defense is built for the LB’s to get pressure not the line, I bet many on here can’t even tell me the Packers 3 down linemen on their d-line. Don’t be surprised if Kelly is dealt for a rookie or using that free money for a new NT in free agency.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think
Austin is coming out this year. He’s only a junior and i haven’t heard anything about him coming out.
How about that DT from michigan martin i think his name is. He usually got double teamed in college and still made a pretty good impact on Michigan’s defense.
RB biggest need
I feel a #2 RB is gonna be our biggest need. We already have the personnel on defense to make the switch to the 3-4 other than a 2nd ILB but it is obvious we are NOT gonna be able to retain bush during the offseason unless he is willing to take low money for a long term deal. his performance in the first few games after DMC went down plus his performance last year when DMC was out has made it likely he will leave via free agency. With DMC not being able to stay healthy for a full season we need a #2 guy that can pound it up the middle. Taiwan gives us the speedy outside guy, we have plenty of young WR’s already. so we need a #2 RB, a younger receiving TE, and a good weakside ILB
RB is a need but I dont think the biggest
1 name to watch is Mike Tolbert, call me crazy but I think he is going to be a raider. Him and Norv hate eachother.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever compensatory picks we get should be used on
the defensive front seven.
If we don’t get pressure on the QB it won’t matter how good our DB’s are. That was our problem this year no pressure on the QB. That last game says it all. Rivers had all day to sit there and pick out the open receiver.
Wimbley is grossly overpaid, only had one good game against a backup and is really a 4-3 DE, Seymour was hurt, Houston was ineffective and should be moved inside, Shaungnessy was on IR and Kelley played well.
Curry played pretty well, Rolando needs a change to a 3-4 and help in the middle, Goethal needs to stay healthy, Groves needs to be cut and we need at least one more linebacker that can cover someone.
Routt needs to take a pay cut, CJ is done and Lito cannot be trusted to cover anyone but the slot guy. I’d be in for bringing in Cortland Finnegan if he can get his penalty thing under control, we have enough of a problem with that without adding another guy known for his dumb penalties. I’m not sure about Huff and if he can become a serviceable CB or not, if not trade his ass. I’m sure Dallas is still interested.
Plus Chimdi and DVD were rookies and they really did not play badly, DVD just needs to learn to look for the ball. He always seems to have good position and then not turn to look for the ball. but that can be learned.
Chimdi looked better than DVD and may be able to play FS too if he can stay healthy.
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