Oakland Raiders Hire of Reggie McKenzie is a Fantastic Move
by Rich Langford on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 AM PST
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PrintThe Oakland Raiders future is in great hands. Green Bay Packers director of football operations Reggie McKenzie is going to be the Raiders next GM. The club has yet to confirm this, but there is every reason to believe this is a done deal.
Adam Schefter first tweeted the news.
Adding validity to these reports, McKenzie confirmed it himself via a text message to ESPN's Jason Wilde.
McKenzie has been in the Packers front office in some capacity since 1994. This job is a long time coming for McKenzie. He has been an integral part of one of the best front offices for almost two decades.
It remains to be seen in what ways, if any, McKenzie style will differ from the Packers. While in Green Bay, he served under GM's Ron Wolf, Mike Sherman and Ted Thompson. Thompson, like McKenzie, learned the ropes from Wolf.
That philosophy is not much different than what Al Davis had been employing: build the team with explosive players through the draft. Now, obviously, the Packers don't put as much emphasis on 40 times, but they have certainly drafter their share of great athletes over the years.
This certainly isn't an ideal position for a new GM. He is going to be over the gap. Also, he is not going to have a first and second round draft pick this year, and will only have a third and fourth if the Raiders are awarded one via compensatory compensation.
I am confident McKenzie can make this work. This is a great hire.
Thanks to Ghost Raider, who first posted this news on site.
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psyched about this
Now we can be a real football team instead of a 60’s AFL squad. Anything that makes us more like the current packers is a very good thing!
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by RDreamer on Jan 6, 2012 1:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I feel as if we've already won the Super Bowl
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
Love it!
Nice way to start our friday! I’m sure some interesting trades or signings will be done in 2012
by SinCityRaider on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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I AGREE A BILLION TIMES!!
HE’S NO GOOD!!!
"THE QUARTERBACK MUST GO DOWN, AND HE MUST GO DOWN HARD!" ~ AL DAVIS 1929-2011
He's already been told he's not coming back
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're two days late
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
we need to fire him eight times
One time for each loss
by dawad34 on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And once for every lead he almost blew this year
So…16 times?
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– George Carlin
"I'll do anything to score a touchdown. And I'm not afraid like some people, their afraid to call those plays. I'm not. That's the way I like to live my life, I like to live on the edge. And that's the way it is, and that's the way it's gon' be."
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good point
XD
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Nice...
Bresnahan, was the reason that we didn’t make the playoffs. I hope Hugh stays, he is great with the offense. Bresnahan wasn’t his pick. Maybe now we can get a more creative d-co that can use these beasts that we have. Go Raiders!!!!
he is gone as well as other assistants on D.
The Raiders had no announcements regarding staff changes, although they have reportedly told defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan, linebackers coach Greg Biekert, cornerbacks coach Rod Woodson and safeties coach Kevin Ross they will not return
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
For Dec ades To Come NFL Historiand Will Look Back On This Season As Something Very Special!!!
The Raiders already used their #17 pick in the 1st rd of the 2012 draft to select Carson Palmer a 2 time "PB"er but enjoyed his service for half the 2011 season as preparation for what will follow in his 1st full season as starter…This prep time has been extremely valuable and given the Raider Nation allot to look forward to and a firm foundation on which to place hope…
Now with the addition of Reggie McKenzie to serve as “GM” there truly is reason to look forward to 2012 as the “Year of the Raider” with high expectation…But the transactions have just begun…Soon others will be joining as well as the Raider build a dynasty that dominates the AFCW!!!!
All shall bend a knee and “Te-Bow” before us in fear!!!
So It Is Written So Let It Be Done!!!!/_
"Tebowphobe"!!!
LoL!!!...
For Decades To Come NFL Historians Will Look Back On This Season As Something Very Special!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
haha
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that.......
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by The MoonMan 804 on Jan 6, 2012 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
This move will set the tone for the new era of Raiders football
I couldn’t be happier with this move and what was great about it is how swiftly Marc Davis made this move. This guy has learned from the best of the best and comes from a top flight executive team and a winning organization. He’s got his work cut out for him with the lack of draft picks and as fa as I know…we are going to have cap issues this offseason as well bringing fresh faces in as well. I’m glad we have someone with this kind of pedigree at the forefront. I hope Hue reports to him so that there isn’t much of a concern regarding a power struggle between the two.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
I Really Don't See Any Power Struggle Developing...But Certainly The Damn "Mediot"s Will Try To Create One Anyway!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I agree Hue needs to report to the GM
He needs his control reduced so he can focus on his main job, coaching the team.
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Yessss!
Fuck you Tebow! Elway! Rivers! Norv! Random Chiefs QB n HC!
2012 – Year of the Raider indeed!
My RANTING on this issue...
is OVAAAAAAAA! !!!!!!!. And we got the best possible canidate for the job too.
With baby Huey OFFICIALLY put in check he can now focus on COACHING the Team and perhaps instilling some fucking discipline into this penalty ridden bunch of 70’s squad WANNBEES!.
Back in the day it was an HONOR to lead the League in penalties , be referred to as “A criminal element” (Chuck Noll ) and be considered a TRUE Bully. Those squads were all of the above but they were WINNERS , which is why it was acceptable. McKenzie knows this and will get this Train back on the fucking track Nation -with or without draft picks. We have a TON of talent right now. we need a “Shepherd” to guide it . We have it.
This is a GREAT way to wake up !! Hue : Just Coach Baby!
This has Amy Trask written all over it Rich!! R.F.F.R.
Seem's to be a well respected guy.
Has had a hand in putting together a very solid team in Green Bay.
Can’t be worse than what was here. I’m good with it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Good news for the Raiders
Now we’ll really find out what we’ve got. No more talking about the ‘70s and blaming things on Al. McKenzie is coming into a good situation because the division just isn’t a strong one right now, and the team does have playmakers on offense.
Defense is one place where you can turn things around quickly with a change in scheme and attitude, and with the addition of a couple of guys.
Even though I wrote a long post about why Bill Polian is the best candidate because he is the most proven I love this idea.
Think of all the moves this guy was around for while in GB. The signing of Woodson, the drafting the likes of Donald Driver, Aaron Rodgers, B.J. Raji, Tramon Williams, Clay Matthews and Clay Matthews. Of course Ted Thompson may have been the primary decision maker, this guy has helped scout many of these guys. Very good move by the Raiders, it’s been a very long time since I could actually utter those words. Wow!
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by TAW on Jan 6, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
PFT is talking about the possibility of Hue being one and done
Although it is unsubstantiated reporting, they state that Hue was not on-board with the Reggie hiring. There is the possibility that Reggie will come in and want to hire his own HC as well. Hue should have kept his mouth shut dumping so much blame on the players and asking for more power over the team. I think that was CLM (career limiting move) on his part.
I’m fairly indifferent regarding Hue staying. I think the injuries derailed what could have been a great season and that’s no fault of Hue. At the same time, all the promises he made to fix our weaknesses never materialized. He didn’t seem to have great control over the locker room and quite frankly, the guys didn’t seem to play as hard for him as they did for Cable last year. Maybe I’m wrong about that but it appears that way to me.
I hate the price we paid for Palmer, although I understand why he felt the need to make the trade. I also give him credit for the Curry trade…we didn’t give up much or take on a big salary for a guy that has made a solid impact on this team. Again, Hue is back to .500 as a GM and a coach now.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Sorry, here's the link to the story
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Damn u and I typed about the same story at the same time!!! Haha
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... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 6, 2012 7:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We're just two dedicated fans I guess lol
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Oops, fail
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Again with this
hack Mike Florio.
At this point, we’re not reporting that Jackson is on his way out or predicting that he’s not long for the job. What we do know is that folks inside the league are keeping an eye on Oakland, because there’s a sense that McKenzie and Jackson possibly won’t be able to coexist.
GTFO of here with your shitty reporting Florio! “There’s a sense..”, “There’s a theory..” from who? From where? From you and only you Florio. Just be up front and state it as opinion as opposed to stuff coming from "league rumblings’. The guy never has anything to support the crap he puts out for National consumption. I’m calling for a Nation-wide ban on Mike Florio!
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed...we won't know how Hue and McKenzie will get along until he's officially on board
It would interesting to know if Hue participated much in the GM search or interviewing process.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
FromI don't believe Hubris had any say
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
From what I understand I don't believe Hubris had any say
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And nor should he
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 8:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Indifferent is exactly how I feel
I backed Hue throughout the season because most of our problems were on the defense. But I didn’t like how he handled everything once the season was over. Specifically when he said that he would be taking more control in every aspect of the team. He has no business taking more control and these types of statements only make a prospective GM second guess coming here. Not to mention that one of his biggest goals was to reduce penalties this season but we ended up committing more penalties than any team ever has in one season.
I hope McKenzie can put Hue in his place and have him focus on coaching. If Hue is not compliant with the new regime then let him go; it’ll be for the best.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
I agree with that assessment
As a rookie head coach, Hue should be able to improve—but only if he focuses more on his role and less on shooting off his mouth. Don’t brag about what you’re going to do—get it done on the field and let the team’s play speak for itself.
@WorldBLee
well what did you want him to say
Im glad were 8-8 now im gonna go on vacation see yall bitches later? He wanted everyone to know that he was not happy being mediocre. Cough cough cable cough
by dawad34 on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just read PFT’s LATE article on the hire. They make it seem as Hue and Reggie will bump heads the whole time. Maybe even getting hue fired. That’s all bullshit, no way Hue has his head THAT far up his ass right? I still believe in hue. Hopefully he and Reggie can get some FAs that will help this team and not just come to collect a paycheck. I think they can land some solid players with the limited draft picks. Now a DC is needed. Del Rio is interviewing with KC. Haven’t read much on spags. What about Haley as a wrs coach? He’s talking with Arizona though.
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 6, 2012 7:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Great News
This is great new for us suffering fans who have been saying WTF way too much over the past nine years.
IMO
This is a young team full of former first round picks, our lack of high draft picks on the next draft shouldnt hurt us that much, and we still have our 2013 first rounder….McKenzie will get rid of some players he deems expendable and get us more draft picks for next years draft, and the compensatory draft picks are yet to be awarded…we should be ok and ready to dominate next season…
I hope he leaves the Offense in tact Hue should at least get 1 more year.
Leave Hue and the OC and system alone. Just let Saunders call the plays. Improve the D and if Hue sucks then send him down the river. The defense put us out of the playoffs.
We paid a lot for the Palmer deal it was the 17th pick this year?
15. David DeCastro* G Stanford 92
16. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama 92
17. Landry Jones* QB Oklahoma 92
18. Devon Still DT Penn State 91
19. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St. 91
“At the end of the day” Palmer is better than Campbell the bigger issue is the chemistry between the young guys and a guy who can’t catch a receiver in stride. For greater offensive growth that lil circle need to be blown up.
I think it was reflected in the play of Ford Murphy and Chaz
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He gives us stability and a QB that can win big games...
I thought he played lights out vs the Chargers, you could really see he wanted to win, that int sucked but Ford had a hand on that too…and when Carson retires its time to see what TP can do, for the first time in a long long time I’m at peace and have no worries about our future…
When has Carson won any big games?
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by Ozraider on Jan 6, 2012 8:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He's had big games against tough Steelers, Ravens teams...
That primetime TNF vs Chargers, just because he hasnt had the chance to play in bigger games (playoffs, SBs), doesn’t mean he hasn’t won big games…
We havent had a QB that could shine in primetime in a long while...
Carson really opened up my eyes on that TNF game, all I had to witness to become a believer, and he played his heart out in the season finale, THAT was a big game in my book…
Q : What kind of O.C. DOESN'Tcall plays?
A : The Hue Jackson kind. Let the O.C. call the plays and let Hue COACH. And with the TERRIBLE play calling and clock management we witnessed over the last 6 weeks SOMEONE has to do a better job brother.
The system is broken and needs to be fixed!
Hold Over
This will be a hold over from Al. Al wanted the coach calling plays from the sideline. As I said in an earlier post Hue needs to collaborate with Saunders on the game plan and play calling.
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Hue isnt the only HC that calls plays
Sean Payton calls plays, Rob Ryan calls defence etc etc
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HCs who call offensive plays:
Sean Payton, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Pat Shurmur. There are probably others I don’t remember right now.
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Those of whom "are doing backflips", please keep it in your pants!!! Its a solid move.
But lets not put the cart before the horse. Again Solid Move but we still have a lot of issues before I go streaking for superbowls
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
Warriors just hire Jerry West as GM and it hasnt paid off yet, so i think this move will tell in time
I think its a move that will only improve our team…
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
Jerry West has only been a General Manager for the Lakers and Grizzlies.
The Logo is only a consultant for the Warriors.
Regardless, I love the McKenzie hiring. Can’t wait to see what this offseason has in store for the Raiders.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
No need to get too excited, this team needs some work. Change will not be instant. I just hope people let it progress rather than demand immediate change. It takes time, I hope the Nation is patient.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 6, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
It gives this Team DIRECTION for the first time
in a LONG time. Let’s face it , Hue was over his head ,PERIOD. Look at this parallel Nation.
When Cable calls the plays in 09 we go 5-11. Hue comes in and calls the plays in 2010 , lets Cable coach and we go 8-8. WHY? Because the Head Coach must oversee the big picture and delegate authority to those he trusts to manage their respective areas. Yes ,he has the right to change things and should, but the reason you delegate is so that you get an OUTSIDE the box opinion from the people under you. This allows you as the Head Coach to make what you now can surmise as the best possible option. Two heads are better than one may be an easier way to put it.
We SHOULD be doing handstands now that Jackson is “under control” and doing what he’s paid to do – Coach. MAYBE he can find time to instill some fucking DISCIPLINE into this squad. No , I wasn’t giving Cable an endorsement . R.F.F.R.
by Wyoraider on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
exactly, Reggie was a piece to GB's recent success and not the only piece
Just as Hue Jackson and Carson and our latest drafts… Reggie will help bring us back to respectability and on the path to success
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
A GREAT move could turn into a FANTASTIC move by ........
firing Jackson and everyone else on the coaching staff and then hire Jeff Fisher.
No thanks.
Can’t we stop being such reactionaries and give Jackson a chance? He had a rough end to the season, but he also had to deal with the death of the owner/GM/soul of the team, a season ending injury to the starting QB midseason followed a week later by a season ending injury to our star RB, as well as the endless other injuries we had, and basically no offseason or training camp. All in a rookie season as a head coach for a team that’s been incredibly dysfunctional for most of the last decade.
Most first year head coaches don’t come in an immediately set the league on fire. I’d like this team to have so I’d rather have some stability and consistency for this team that’s had none since Gruden left.
Nope
He’s had “his chance”. I’m not sure what game you watch but he’’s been f*** up all season. I’m sure he’s a good OC but as a head coach …………… it’s painfully obvious to anyone that isn’t drunk on the kool-aid he’s over his head. Same team, same off-field issues ………we go 10-6 with a coach like Fisher and we’d be looking forward to hosting a playoff game this weekend……….and dare I say ……………. contending for a super bowl bearth in a very “down” year in the AFC.
Jeff Fisher?
Wouldn’t take a chance on him at all. Too many issues with Quarterbacks.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Jan 6, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Just an example ............
I’m not saying Fisher is the holy grail but he’s a damn good coach and has been very successful with teams not very loaded with talent.
Fisher cut Blount would have made for a dynamic tandem Blount and Johnson oh yeash like our backs...
2010 13 games 201 carries 1007 yards
2011 14 games 184 carries 781 yards
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In his defense
That was by most accounts a good move. Earnest Graham has been just as effective, if not more so, for the Bucs.
ummmm
in the 2 seasons since Blount joined the Bucs he has 1788 yards rushing and 11 TDs compared to Grahams 305 yards and 1 TD………….
DERP
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In my opinion
it’s this kind of attitude that will keep us eternally in the gutter. Changing head coaches every season because the team doesn’t make it into the playoffs or whatever. Fact is, if the defense hadn’t completely fallen apart in Buffalo, the 2nd Denver game, or the last 2 minutes against Detroit, we win the division.
I’m not saying Jackson didn’t disappoint me a lot during the season, but I’m willing to give him a season where he actually has an offseason and training camp and doesn’t have to essentially play GM as well, before I condemn him.
by Chris2814 on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And just as an addendum
Jeff Fisher’s first full year with the Titans, or rather the Oilers? 7-9 . His second year? 8-8. His third? 8-8. Same as his fourth year. So yeah, it took him 5 seasons to get that team to the playoffs. In his 16 years as head coach there he had 6 winning seasons, 5 .500 seasons, and 5 losing seasons.
by Chris2814 on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and................
he also went 13-3 three times, 12-4, 11-5 and 10-6, 6 trips to the playoffs and a Super Bowl. We’ll never do anything like that with Jackson coaching.
But it took 5 YEARS!
I doubt you would have been singing his praises after his 3rd straight 8-8 finish in 4 seasons (the other being a 7-9).
Has nothing to do with making the playoffs........
it has everyhting to do with Jackson being an idiot and not qualified to be a head coach. Get it?
First head coaching job ever.
He made mistakes. If those mistakes continue next year then I’ll understand when people call for his head. But for a guy with his first ever head coaching job in a season without an offseason or training camp and tons of other situations both on and off the field that did put him in over his head…yeah I’m willing to give the guy another shot to see if he is head coaching material.
People said the same shit about Singeltary
Look where that got them ……………
I never liked Singeltary
But I’m willing to stick with Hue another season where he will have a GM and the QB he always wanted. If things don’t improve then fine, but I’m willing to give him more than one season. Maybe I’ll be wrong, but I saw more out of this team (offensively) than I had in years. And that was with tons of injuries.
I'm alright with giving the guy another year ........
because I have no choice …………. he is not getting fired anytime soon. My point is ……………it’s really not that hard to see a guy either has it or he doesn’t. I’ve seen enough ………… but let me ask you a question. Other than invoking some stability (which I’m in agreement with), what did Jackson do that makes you believe he is the BEST option at this time for the Raiders? And you better not say “the players like him”.
I'd be great w/busting his ass back down to OC
If we were getting a proven HC in his stead like Fisher, Cowher, Gruden … unfortunately it’s VERY rare for that to happen within the same organization … Hubris would have to get fired and take the OC somewhere else. And I DO generally like Hue as an offensive play caller (although the Detroit game really pissed me off), so I’d hate to see him go completely.
All told, I DO think he deserves at least one more year. Ask yourself: who was the last first-year rookie coach to take us to 8-8? When was the last time we were playing a meaningful week 17 game?
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
It's not that simple
A bunch of teams want Fisher which means ultimate bidding war here.
But as for Jackson being the best option, not necessarily, but after about 6 scrub coaches in a row, we could do worse too. Sure, it’d be nice to hire Cowher, but let’s be realistic. The Raiders just don’t do things that way. If it was going to happen, it would’ve already.
And in Jackson’s defense, he’s only had one year. He should at least as long as Cable did to prove himself, considering Cable was born to fail and was allowed a lot of latitude. Hue has also had to try to overcome ridiculous injuries, the worst DC ever, the passing of Al, as well as being forced to try and clean up the mess left by the previous coaches over the last decade.
I'm not sure I'd call him the BEST option
I’m just of the mind of letting him really get things into place and see how they work. What I like about Hue is that he managed to take a woeful offense and make them more dynamic, though he could have done that as OC. But I also like that he was a guy who wanted to be here when no one else did.
Those don’t make him HC material, that’s true, but I think this season he had way too much on his plate and I do think he overreached at times. I honestly don’t know if he has what it takes to take this team to the next level, but I want to give him another year, a year where he will have an offseason and a GM, to prove that he can (or can’t).
Hey dicky weed chillax!
Jeff fisher isnt all that and we dont need him! Hue does need to be put in check and I believe Reggie will do just that and then I think Hue will get down to business and be a much better coach! he has been distracted and overwhelmed with waaaaaayy too much bullshit! I’m not saying Hue has been perfect he hasn’t. But I think with a good GM like Reggie and a REAL DC like Nolan, Moss, or Del Rio Hue will be able to shine! I might be wrong and he may not be HC material he may only be an OC I dont know? But I think with all the shit he has had to deal with this year that he deserves a second chance!
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You mean Gruden right?
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 7, 2012 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good hire.
Best news to come from the Raiders in awhile, considering how they ended this season. Maybe he can bring some of the GB defensive coaches over this way. But really, as long as Bresnahan is gone I’ll be able to breath a sigh of relief. Not too happy to hear Rod Woodson will probably be gone too, but I understand the clean slate mentality when it comes to our disaster of a defense.
Finally
I could not be more pleased. I think this will make us a force in the league again, with all due respect to Big Al I feel he was not in any condition to run the Raiders like he could in the past and with this hire we should be able to get back to football and out of the courtroom.If he can bring the younger Wolf with him this would be a great front office and bring stability back to our beloved Raiders.Now we need to purge guys that just can’t bring it and I would start on the defensive side of the ball and find us some dbacks .Mike Mitchell and the rest of these guys need to go now and bring in some smart hardworking players and coaches who understand you can’t win by making dumb penalties on every drive.Again I feel this hire will attract some good coaches and players who would not come here in the past.With that said I can’t wait for July I feel this is a new beginning.
agree…Hue did a pretty good job…also don’t forget that he was playing the hand he was given…I know he was mad at the end of the season…I think the statement regarding more power over personal was right on…if your the coach then you need to have a say in who you want to complete the puzzle that your creating…also I’m glad he called out the team…you can coach all you want…but the fat lazy fuck who walks off the field rather then jog and causes us a 12 man penalty…you can’t coach laziness…it’s something we need to get rid of…and Hue is not going to call out a person but should call out the team for not stepping up…he had a lot on his plate for a head coach…the players like Hue and I don’t think this hire is going to cause any problems…I’m just gald that the head guy will steer the ship in the right direction…not expecting miracle 1st season…but will say I do expect to be in the AFC championship game with in two years basing off what the AFC looks like right now…no real super power and the West is open…so due expect to win the West with a heathy team…
Lemme fix that for you ...
We would have won the west by Thanksgiving with a real Defensive Coordinator …
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
WORD!! And a few more playmakers on D!
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if not sooner
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
You're getting pretty old with all the bitching
Plus, you don’t make much of an argument other than calling Hue an idiot. That’s not an argument.
Took the words out of my mouth people need to calm down
This was a tougher season than 99% of rookie hc ever and we still broke even at .500 give the guy a fucking break he talks a big game and expects a lot what else should he do ??? He wants to win I support hue 100% love his swagger but I would like to see what he could do just coaching this team instead of running it
by 209raider on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad you're not making the calls at Raiders HQs..
We probably would have 4-12 teams all the time, firing Hue is not the answer, our offense has improved dramatically under him these past 2 seasons, the problem this season were injuries and a D that couldn’t probably stop the 76 Bucs…
plenty of people here would destroy this franchise given the opportunity to do so and then blame the rest of us!!
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Indeed
The real question is, what really separates the fan in the internet forum from legions of failed executives over the history of the league? All those people who seemingly had the qualifications and failed utterly despite it.
Hmmmm
Whos to say one of us isn’t a GM now (Dun, Dun, Dunnnnnn!!!!)? Not me though, I would have crippled the franchise long ago :P But I bravely admit it.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Im a GM
and I got the Raiders countless rings in Madden
by dawad34 on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
XD
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Lol I'm a Madden GM myself...
Had several perfect seasons, Raiders QBs, RBs, DEs, WRs, TEs breaking all sorts of NFL records….ah if only that could translate to real life….
I figured that was all of us LOL!
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Oh yeah?
Okay so which one of you wants to take over for Jerry Angelo in Chicago and fix that O line?
truth there
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is it not kinda bs when it was all smelling of roses when the qb was healthy?
and firing on all cylinders? granted the O line sucked, but Martz is a scapegoat, ‘cuz it sucked when he got there and he showed Cutler how to exploit it’s shittiness. Just fix the line thru the draft or try like we did, and it guaranteed gets better sooner than later. Just realize, you have to start from scratch, because none of CHI’s starters are really starter worthy on the front for their future.
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Except Carimi
and he was injured all year. That guy’s a beast though. I wanted us to trade up for him last year.
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If I do I resign Forte
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Mr. McKenzie you are the man
"Reggie McKenzie to become the General Manager of the Oakland Raiders," on the Raiders official website;
lest their be any specualtion on an alternate title.
Simply awesome news
"Mr. Reggie Mckenzie, be yourself and know that you have earned the Raiders’ general manager position," Ron Jensen, of Spokane, WA.
This is good and Hue is fine
I love the hire. He may want to come in and bring in his own coach, but my guess is when he interviewed for the job that was probably discussed and agreed that Hue would stay. I will give him a pass on what he said after the last game. He was mad and upset and said what we all were feeling. When you consider all Hue had to deal with in his first year it was a lot. I think he will hopefully learn from it. The key is the D a lot of things need to happen and the first started with not retaining a lot of the D coaches.
next great Raider news
Raiders have the GM; now it is time to bring in the quarterback; Mr. Flynn is a Raider! Print that Jerry & Steve.
matt flynn eh?
interesting…. he has looked great but hes unproven. in no way shape or form is he like kolb though. what about palmer? hue would never let that happen. Flynn would be cotly and the raiders have invested TOO MUCH on palmer. i dont think that happens, palmer stays unless flynn is ok backing up another qb for a couple years again.
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by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I would love to have Flynn here
but he will probably want $$$ as a UFA this coming offseason. If anything, lets just all hope he stays as far away from the AFC West (Donkeys, Chiefs) as possible.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
He'll go to Seattle or Cleveland.
Probably the Chickenhawks – they have more pieces and are probably a better team. Miami may also be a possibility if they don’t trade up for RG3.
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Need to see a lot more of Flynn before I'd want to pay him what he'll likely ask for ...
There’s a distinct possibility that he just looked so good in week 17 because the friggin Packers offense practically runs itself. + we can’t afford any big $ mistakes right now with personnel, we’ve made TOO MANY of them in the recent past. Someone out there w/some cap space (and who can afford to take a risk) is gonna snag him.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Detroits D is nothing special
With our injured team we drove on them all game. We got stopped more by the Broncos and the Chiefs then Detroits defense. Flynn doesn’t look terrible, but he is definitely not proven. I say you need a full season to show what you got. 6 TD’s is impressive, but that game wasn’t the most important of games for either team. Green Bay didn’t care if they won or not.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 6, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Packers O doesn't run itself.
It’s a ridiculously complex scheme.
Our offense can run itself when you have good players (not that that’s a bad thing if its effective).
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Fair enough ...
So he learned a complex scheme … that in itself is a positive … but it’s obviously a very GOOD scheme. The question is would HE be nearly as good … somewhere else? It’s a valid question to ask about him, esp. given how little we’ve seen of in regular season games. We don’t have the Cap luxury of taking that risk, so I highly doubt we’ll end up making a move for him … esp. not given the realities of the Palmer situation.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
It's a fair point
but it’s moot for us because he isn’t coming here.
I will say, though, that if you can grasp the Packers’ O, you can probably grasp any NFL offense.
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Great news for the silver and black
This guy brought GB to what it is now, and he has a catch for defensive players. All GB’s CB’s can be our number 1 CB. He signs guys like jordy nelson, who clearly is a beast, and don’t forget Clay, Rodger, Cullen Jenkins( SB year), Raji. Man he knows hes stuff, and for the raiders it will be interesting who we bring into town next season. Also now we have a GM, Hue won’t be able to have the power of making stupid signings like Ndukwe, letting go Sterling Moore( who has 2 picks in one game) , signing TJ and letting Hagan go. Lito Sheppard showed his true colors at the end of the season, he cant cover guys who is 6’4, he fits better at playing against the short slots.
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He is one guy in an organization, don't get carried away.
He didn’t make all those decisions all by himself. I’m sure he had input and a hand with many of their decisions but let’s not crown this guy before he’s had a chance to get his hands on the wheel of this ship. I’m pumped about the signing because we haven’t had a real GM in quite a while and this guy has earned his shot to usher in a new era in Raider football.
Welcome back to the one and only true Nation Mr. McKenzie.
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by Buster Bluth on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
could tj whoseurmama
be a wr coach? the wr corp seemed to respond to his instructions during the games
NO PLEASE NO!!! send his lame arse packing!!!
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he should retire
want a WR coach, grab Tim Brown or Jerry Rice, or even Marvin Harrison, all are greats and retired. Im sure they can teach these young boys the real deal.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
nvm
he was only cut and signed a couple times, then became a starter for the completely depleted, and horrible patriots secondary.
by RyanTheRaider on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Sterling Moore?
no, hes with the pats and he is a CB. I think it was their last game were he got two interceptions and 1 for a TD.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
do the raiders need a new wrs coach? i thought maybe tod haley can give it a try. he did wonders on bowe and he did help fitz and boldin. arizona is talkin to him though.
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by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM PST reply actions
No way he get's busted down that far ...
Anyone who took the AZ Cardinals to the Super Bowl, and playoffs another year + was a HC somewhere … he’s gonna be an OC somewhere. Of course, I’d not be surprised if he sucks … unless he gets REAL lucky and gets to be an OC somewhere that has talent like w/Warner, Fitz, and Boldin.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'd look at what other coaches
are available.
Hue needed to win just one more game, and he couldn’t pull it off.
Not even for Al could he pull off an over 500 season.
He failed to inspire.
His game management has been weak, and his recognition of when he needs to take chances etc. was sloppy.
"Not even for Al"
Yeah … that really makes the whole thing that much more fucking depressing … thanks for reminding us :(
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Depressing but true
I like Hue but I have a hard tie believing that last loss. He said all year we would find a way, implying it was because of Al. I think he believed that I really do.
I’d give him 1 more year to try. Partly sentimentality (he was Al’s choice to coach) and partly just a pass for being a rook coach.
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I just watched Rivers's sound FX video earlier today
and it pissed me off. There are times when the Chargers are just laughing about our defensive scheme. Rivers taunts McClain saying “Really Rolando? You guys really think that’s a good idea to be in that coverage?”
I can’t wait until we have a legit DC in Oakland. Hue deserves another chance and hopefully he does better without all the distractions.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d825b7ec1/Sound-FX-Philip-Rivers
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No fucking way I'm listening to that today ...
With the weekend coming up, and the whole week of ‘playoff talks’ behind me … it’s really sinking in how much it sucks we lost to SD … WE ALMOST FUCKING HAD IT, man. I’m convinced that had we stopped SD when we had them on the 1/2 yard line … held them to 3 and out ONE TIME in the fucking game … Carson would’ve gotten us 50 yards and into the end zone for the win, and into the playoffs … FOR AL.
Just fucking depressed today, no way I’m listening to Phyllis talking shit … I’ll start breaking shit around my house.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah probably not a good idea to watch it
but on a positive note aren’t you glad that we got McKenzie? Can’t wait until his press conference on Tuesday. We’re moving in the right direction.
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It's been confirmed by multiple sources
He can start with the Raiders now. The press conference on Tuesday is a sure thing.
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looking forward to this
Mark Davis first public appearance possibly?
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Kawakami hinted that Mark Davis will be present
We’ll have to see on Tuesday. Definitely looking forward to it!
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Pretty sure I am, yeah :)
It’s not like I’ve followed the dude’s career, and I’m a little nervous it’ll be his very first GM gig, but y’all’s confidence is contagious, and GB seems to be a perennial contender and well-run (semi-Socialist) organization, so yeah … I’m stoked.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
RO is so part of the problem!!!
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Thanks for linking to that
I want to know what other players are saying about our defense. Look, this last season is done. Better to know about the problems than bury our collective heads.
Indeed ... one more year has been earned ...
Last 1st year Rookie coach to take us to 8-8 was Chucky … Hue pissed me off at times but really didn’t do a bad job all things considered. We got to play a meaningful week 17 game for the first time in 9 years at least … last year we were out before the week 16 game even started, and every year before that it was like week 12 we were eliminated.
With a real DC and esp. with some better health for some key players … there’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to take the West next year. But I will say … I really hope SD loses VJ in the offseason ;)
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
did hue have mcclain cover jackson?
no but chuck did while he let routt blitz in on half the plays. Give Hue a chance guys
That's how I feel.
We had the Buffalo game won, but the defense fell apart. We were looking good against Denver and then the defense folded in the 4th. We had Detroit in the bag, until the defense gave the game away. And then they didn’t even bother showing up against SD.
It's also Ro's responibility to check out of that call also!!!
Hey I’m just saying if a call comes in and I’m the mismatch I check out of that into another fng set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well Antonio Gates
was matched up against Wimbley, sometimes Wimbley had to play as DE and break out to watch Gates, seems like a match up nightmare for us 100%. Don’t know who to blame, either Chuck or Hue. I think its chuck though, putting the wrong people in the wrong positions.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Zone Blitz
Had Houston chasing his ass down the filed in a zone blitz too…
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
My issues is that as the head coach when the defence is repeatedly making these errors game after game he needed to do something about it
but instead he allowed these mid boggling errors to continue.
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What do u think he should have done?
by 209raider on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He should have locked Bresnahan in a room with an angry
Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly, and let them beat him liked a rented mule.
ROFLMAFO!!!!!!!
BEAT HIM LIKE A RENTED MULE!!!!
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intervened in the bs happening in place of a defense
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No I agree but idk what he could have done
I feel he was just stuck with him for this year and tried to ride out the season and I have a question why the he’ll did we get rid of Marshall he looked like a defensive genius compared to the panda
by 209raider on Jan 7, 2012 10:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know that this is unpopular:
BUT, I agree with most of what you said. Hue needs to go and Gruden, Haley and Spagnolo need to come.
Of course, if Gruden says no and every other tenured Super Bowl winning or 100 game winning head coach also says no, the Hue can stay. He made a ton of rookie mistakes and is a terrible game manager who held his players to ZERO accountability. Letting McClain play after shooting off a gun?!?! Not going for two!?!? Leading the World All-Time in penalties?!? These are three major flaws of differing sorts.
I love the man, BUT, NOW, we can do better.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 7, 2012 9:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I too like Hubris a man (and an OC) but would not suffer if he were released. My reasons are mainly two: First, his failure
to lead and motivate the players (flat efforts at Miami and GB and horrendous 2nd Halves in another half-dozen games) and his other major mistake of not taking an active role, as HC, in the Defense – which was obviously being run by a loser who repeated, week after week, the same mistakes that cost us, at least, Buffalo, Denver, Detroit and StDII.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 7, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
What rookie hc doesn't make those mistakes ?
I feel hue gets to much criticism for being a rookie hc and first time being a hc on any level
by 209raider on Jan 7, 2012 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No! this goes against the blueprint of success. You can't keep dumping HC's after one year!!!!
Where is the room to grow? This Org wil suffer if he is let go. I see the coping mechanism is coming in again on many people. Same was said about Cable. These men just trashed by certain fans with the name calling and all that.
Sad to see that you fail to see the bigger picture Sons.
The RaiderLaker
I agree JJ
UNLESS Hue has totally lost the team … a possibility that concerns me. Did you see the shot of Palmer rolling his eyes when Hue was yelling at him for that pass that cost us a FG shot at the end of the 2nd half in the StD game? I mean, shit … if Palmer doesn’t respect the guy … that’s some real trouble right there.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
completely agree
offense needs the cohesion, our WRs are now just developing into quality WRs on a consistent basis; even if we trade Palmer and sign either Flynn or Manning to FA contract, we should keep Hue for at least one more season; allow him to simply be the head coach. for a full season; unless Reggie works a miracle trade we are not going to have a first round draft pisck this year; so hopefully we lose our first round pick next year.
Wow Saint!
your usually the one asking for calmness around here.
Hue will probably get one year to prove he can be the head coach of the Raiders if he pulls another year like this last one he’ll be gone, but with all he went through and took on, the organization has to reward him with at least one more year to prove himself as just the head coach.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
If we got Gruden
I’d be fine with letting Hue hit the road, that’s for sure. Partly cause I have such fond memories of Chucky’s days here … I’d be hoping like hell we could put a team together like that again … not that it’s entirely possible, given that Timmy and Jerry are not ‘exchangeable’ with similar players, but …
And you know, it’s funny … I’m trying to think if there’s anyone in the league that is comparable to the type of player Gannon was right now, and who might be available, and I’m just drawing a total blank.
Well, I take that back … although he’s for sure a lot more accomplished than RG … the only one I can think of is … Peyton Manning. Of course, he may NOT be available, but that would be pretty cool if Gruden came back, and we got Payton as our QB for a late-career run like Gannon’s.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
By the way, as I mentioned below ...
Tony LaRussa and Spags are buddies from St Louis, and Tony knows Amy Trask real well. I would not at all be surprised to see Spags get at LEAST get an interview as DC, assuming the inevitable occurs and Panda gets his walking papers.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Peyton could be a free agent
Colts just might let Peyton walk to save the other 100 million left on his contract; they owe him 28 for next season if they keep him, they can pay him one million each season to buyout the contract I believe they have to make that decision in the beginning of March..
His Agent Pushed That Situation While Al Davis Was Trying To Nagotiate A New Deal To Keep Him..
Gruden refused to pick it up or sign it for a freakin month and wanted complete control over his staff and the roster…Thus Veto Power over any pick that Al Davis made if he didn’t like them…NO way in hell anyone was going to get such a thing from Al…His agent posted that Gruden will never sign another contract with the Raiders so the best procedure is to trade him and get waht you can…
That entire history is documented…I posted it here already but if you want to look I will provide all the URLs again…Their all in the SFGate archives…Post that were current with the time NOT some made up rewritten history like what’s going around now…
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We've got some great news
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Word from Green Bay is that the Packers expect Reggie McKenzie to start work with Raiders right away and not finish out season with Packers.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Excellent news
hopefully he starts telling some of the Defensive roster to kick rocks and good luck in the UFL.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope thats an accurate report...
That would be awesome, this team needs to start reloading right away…
If this is true he really wants to be here thats the best news of all!
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he's like woah!
fuck i have a SB ring w/ GB, but it means much more for me to be apart of the raiders.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
he isnt GM in GB
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Bout damn time! Love the hiring and think he was the right guy for us. Excited to see how the post-AL Raiders look next season, and more importantly within the next 2-3 years.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions
Start NOW
He needs to start early so that there are good DC’s to interview. Need to bring in a name brand with a proven track record and pay him well.
What I wanna know is why the Raiders were not able to dominate the soft chargers... @ home like they did on Thursday Night Football.
Is it possible that Norval and Co. made adjustments and Hubris and Co. did not?
Opposite
The Raiders did not play hard. SD looked like the team playing for the playoffs and the Raiders looked like the team playing for nothing.
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't totally agree on that point ...
I think as the game wore on and everyone watched as the Defense just had NO answers … it completely sucked the life out of the crowd and the team by the 4th quarter.
I WOULD say though that the Chargers O-line was playing friggin lights-out, and seemed to want it more than our D-Line, that is for damn sure.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I agree completely!
The D just sucked big green donkey cock and fucked us in the ass! I still say it was a fucking safety! and even if it wasn’t with them on the fucking 1 foot line why couldn’t we get a safety! We should have just pushed all eleven motherfuckers into the fucking end zone and CRUSHED THEM!!!! But NOOOOOOO Chuckles the sad fat fucking doughnut eating panda donkey dick sucking clown has to play his soft shitty defenseless!
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Nah seemed to me the hype got to them
worrying if KC was winning or losing. Pressure got to them, and they folded. Imagine if players seen the score and DEN was winning, everyone in the stadium might have left. But this isn’t based off one game as we all know. Too many games we gave up leads, too many close games were we can’t get over the wall. FINISH STRONG should be tattooed on their foreheads, also play fucking smart.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Um ... YAH ....
Along with picking up Gaither (which WE should’ve done) … their O-line blocking schemes were friggin PERFECT all game long for whatever we tried on defense. Phyllis/Norv read our defense like a book, and torched their asses.
There’s no question on my mind the Raiders were out-coached in that game, esp. their O against our D.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
105
Realistically, it was the 105 yard kickoff return that got the Raiders in a hole and they never recovered.
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that did hurt ...
But I don’t buy that buried us in the game, it was pretty early on, and the SD offense never punted all day. That drive was probably still gonna go for 7 anyways … if that’s gonna happen anyways, better for it to happen in 10 seconds than multiple minutes … that way there’s more time to answer.
Naw, I put the loss squarely on the 99 yard drive. That was the crushing blow.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
From inches from a safety to a four play 99 yard drive.
That is all behind us now…
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Gaither Pwned Wimbley
it was terrible to watch, Chuck called stupid ass stunts and thought, hey if it worked once, the chargers wont be able to stop it, well they did, good job chuck, stay in the UFL for all i care, you might be a top DC there.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with Wimbley is that he's the wrong size/skill set
Too small to be a really good DE, and too big/slow to be a really versatile LB. He was perfectly sized to be a dominant DE in college, but he ends up being a liability in the NFL wherever you try to play him. Raiders gave him way too big of a contract based on one good year of sacks.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Wimbley's best role
would be as a 9-technique DE where he doesn’t do anything but rush the passer.
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Gaither was the difference in that game..
In the game at SD Wimbley totally dominated the backup LT all game long, Gaither did a pretty good job neutralizing the rush on his side, must’ve been angry at us for not signing him when Baltimore waived him, my guess is he wanted to play LT not RT and Hue didnt want to bench or move Jared Veldheer over to the right side of the line…
Free Agent requests anyone
serious ones now, not just the Flynn banter I’ve been trying to start; (but would surely welcome, of course that would mean we would need to have a trade partner for Carson).
My first choice would be Carl Nicks OG from New Orleans, move Wisniewski to center.
Raiders OLine for 2012:
Vehldeer, Nicks, Wisniewski, Carlisle, Barksdale/Campbell.
Ok Flynn, Is not going to happen.
He is clearly a starter and we have Palmer. Do the math, why pay big bucks for Flynn to be a backup. A trade of Palmer would only hurt our WR core and make them get the timing down again with a new QB.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Gaither is a free agent
Raiders could sign him to play RT. He seemed to be a 100%.
That would be nice ...
Imagine if we’d picked up perennial pro bowler Brian Waters, and Gaither, when we had the chances this year. The SD line probably would’ve stayed crippled, and ours would’ve been one of the best in the league, if not THE best. About 95% sure we’d be in the PO’s had we made those moves. Maybe McKenzie will be the kinda guy to make those moves when they present themselves.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
and the Chiefs cut him so its not like he had a great year of anything
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The Queefs cut him after one play...
he commited a costly false start penalty vs the Steelers and benched him after that…they didnt even gave him a chance to prove himself on the field..
Oh and he was coming off the bench because of injury to their LT...
It was his first and last play on that game…
The Chiefs cut him because he looked at Haley funny.
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I think he did...
Maybe he didnt want to play RT, he still feels like hes a good LT, and boy did he prove it last sunday…
whichever round
Raiders first draft choice should be the best linebacker available.
Mychal Kendricks CAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up57r7JLMmY
he is project to be 5th round.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
What’s the correct format Panty Raider?
by Mallard Davis on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Did you use the Image button?
I’ll try it for ya
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
rec'd
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hmm a bunch of places have that labeled as mckenzie but you guys are right. cant find any playing pics of him
I also found one with him and Vann McElroy
on life.com tackling Curtis Dickey from the Browns.
and a back side pic against the eagles
http://www.fanbase.com/photo/709875
what is this uni?
VaTech?
http://www.fanbase.com/Reggie-McKenzie/photo/501132?n=1
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""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
if McClain, Wimbley, Groves,Goethel, and Curry
would get this low, knees bent they would be a force; especially McClain he always seems to play like the tin-man
yes you guys win- Good Work
do you notice what both pics have in common? a swarming d and group tackling. Lets hope we can have that next year
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
lmao!
the 80s were so wrong!
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Holy crap ...
That is some embarrassing shit right there. Nice flow there, Howie & Marcus … not. I couldn’t bear to watch any further after those two. MAN that is terrible, terrible stuff.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
That was great!
I almost forgot about that.
Silver and Black Attack!
Matt and Howie were trying, Flores was going through some pain on that one.
Rod and Marcus were rockin’ it.
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I'm just glad I survived the 80's
there were some beasts on that team! but they dame sure weren’t singers!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Allot Of Joys And Way Too Many Tears...The Tears Are Prolley From The Phony Baloney Types???
Re: Hue….
I have yet to see any indications what so ever of any turmoil between Hue and our new “GM” nor do I understand why there would be any period???
Hue did a decent job in a very very difficult situation as a rookie “HC” with way way too much on his plate….And he would have been a winner had it not been for the undermining of his team by that stupid “DC”!!!…
Even threw all the injuries and adversity Hue still finished this season with the #9 “O” and that’s including the poor performance threw the 2-3 games while Palmer was just getting acclimated and during our 2 game slide against Miami and “GB”….A top 10 “O” is nothing to flip your nose up at….When was the last time we had that good of a performance in OakTown?…So how the hell can some get on this "Fire The “HC” BandWagon?…Just beyond me!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
The New Era Based Upon What's Old And Well Established....Directed By Al's Own Hand!!!
Al Davis had said that he had someone in mind as “GM” but they were not yet free or not yet ready…2 seasons past now so perhaps forgotten by the masses but Al promised he would bring in some help…
This move was so swift that it testifies that is has been in the works for several months if not seasons…It has been documented that Al Davis left behind a plan and all indications are that Reggie was that plan…Further if this was in the works as far back as 2010 when Hue-Jacks was brought in as “OC” there may have even been some support for it by Reggie…Thus also support for his promotion to “HC” and subsequent duties as interim “Head of Football Operations” until Reggie was free to take over???…
I personally see NO evidence what so ever that Hue is on the outs with Reggie or the other way around…Aside from a few rather very stupid “Mediot” speculations just what the hell is it that some our you projectionist are imagining that you see….
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+1
the only thing that could have started that speculation is that traditionally a new GM brings in his own HC. That being said If we follow your theory Hue may be his coach. I see no reason with Hue as HC we cant be great. What we need is for him to concentrate on being HC manage the team on the field and manage the game properly. I am certain or at least like to think that with a real GM in place that will keep him a bit closer to traditional game and clock management. I LIKEWISE think that Hue did not throw anyone under the bus. HE FINALLY came out and said what was on his mind. I see nothing wrong with that.
by Canadian Raider on Jan 7, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
When Bruce Allan Left To Join "TB" Just How Many Changes Did He Make In Their Front Office Or Coaching Staff???
There are 3 teams this season who are bringing in new “GM” but NOT letting go their existing "HHC"s….The Raiders will likely be the 4th…
While some GMs survived their clubs’ coaching changes — namely the Kansas City Chiefs’ Scott Pioli, Jacksonville Jaguars’ Gene Smith, Miami Dolphins’ Jeff Ireland and Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ Mark Dominik — other teams whacked their GMs without letting go of the coach.
The Indianapolis Colts, Chicago Bears and St. Louis Rams.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I wonder
Of those 4 HC survivng with a New GM how many will make it past next year?
by Canadian Raider on Jan 7, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Good Question...I Just Posted It Becasue Nothing Is Automatic In The NFL...
There are so many variances from franchise to franchise so trying to pimp “One Rule In All” might have worked out for Saroman but it ain’t likely to work with the Raiders….
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Rams fired their GM and coach.
Caldwell won’t make it past next year unless the Colts win a SB. Lovie may survive if the Bears make the playoffs, although a new GM may want to get his own guys in.
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.Just A Dose Of Reality...
A Reminder because some of you don’t seem to be able to understand the reality of the NFL???
NOT all "GM"s come in and dictate who their "HC"s and or Coaching staffs will be….That’s just NOT the case!!!…Nor do they make wholesale changes to the front office without being given the authority to do so by ownership…
Maybe the problem here is that some of you are getting the “MGP” and “GM” confused…They are NOT the same thing…Reggie will be an employee of Mark Davis NOT ownership!!!…
Furthermore NOT all "GM"s are the same nor do they hold the same position on every NFL franchise…Some are simply “Head of Football Operations”…Others may be President of the Franchise…Chief Executive Officer…Or any number of other descriptive categories with as wide a variety of duties as the job descriptions themselves…
Now as to what Reggie’s official title will be and where his authority begins and ends I have NO idea at this point and neither do any of you….Only speculations!!!…Some are educated speculations due to past experience in life but most such as mine are merely shooting form the hip and personal expectations…Lets NOT get carried away with our own majesty and presume to know what none of us know….
Remember that “Cone-o-Silence” is still very well intact and Mark is the son of Al Davis and prolley NOT a rebellious one nor has he waited all this time for his opportunity to take over…To the contrary it appears he’s not all ready to pimp himself and somewhat in the background…
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not sure where you are getting this from
seems to me the general feeling is that Hubris is staying on.
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That's Also My Feeling But I Keep Reading Stupid "Mediot" Speculations To the Contrary As Well As Poster's Tears!!!
Maybe it’s just fools who don’t like Hue and so start to campaign for his release???…But the constant trash talking of the man after producing a top 10 “O” despite all the adversity this season is ridicules!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I havent really liked a lot of what Hue has done as head coach but I also understand it were certainly some extraordinary circumstances
To be honest I dont have a lot of faith in Hue as a head coach, he is a great OC but I dont think he is a great head coach but under the circumstances I think he to a point deserves a chance to prove me wrong but I wont be pissed if McKenzie decides to go in another direction.
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ESPN
ESPN seem to be leading the speculation that McKenzie will fire Hue and bring in Winston Moss.
by Mallard Davis on Jan 7, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
I remember alot of us wanted
Al to hire W. Moss as DC last season.
I'd be fine w/him as DC
But does he have the bona-fides to be a HC yet? I kinda think not, personally. And don’t particularly care to revisit Rookie HC land again anytime real soon.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
+1
why another rookie HC? stop taking steps backwards. No FA will want to come to a disorganized team that changes staff and coaches every year. If Hue is gone Saunders will be gone too. SO a new HC, DC, OC? no thank you. there needs to be some consistency
The OnlyThing Good In That Moss As "HC" Speculation Is If Brought On Board As "DC" Assistant "HC"...
Now you get to see what Moss can do with a “D” and what Hue can do with a team when the “D” is NOT selling him out…But Hue would also know that his replacement is already on his staff…This may have also been the reason we didn’t go after Moss this season…Hue was against it???…
But now we reenter the same waters of a “HC” who doesn’t have say over his own “D”…The “GM” does!!!…Funny how the things that some bitched about so strongly when Al Davis was alive come back to bite the ass!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Good point, PR
But you know how it goes around here. People are willing to blame Hue for the defense’s lapses, but not the guy who hired a sucktacular DC in the first place.
Well According To Reports Hue Hired The "DC"???
Al Davis brought Bresnahan back reportedly as a man he could trust but didn’t give him a title of specific job on the “D”…Some speculation at that time was he would coach "LB"s…Than Hue said after seeing him at work signed off on him being the new “DC”…As such it should also have been Hue who fired his worthless ass…
The thing that I find so funny is all the little trifles over us having a “Lame Duck” “HC” who couldn’t have a say about the “D” or hire/fire his own staff…Than as soon as a new “GM” is brought in all the talk goes to NOT letting Hue hire or fire his own staff….Go figure???…Just seems a little weird if you ask me…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Hue didnt have much of a choice
If i remember correctly there was not much time from when Hue was given the title of HC and the season starting. The lockout hurt by not being able to have a the time to interview and hire personnel. They really didnt even interview very many DC candidates. Hue had to promote Chuck from someone on the “D” to “DC”. The season was starting and he had no other choice
leave it to ESPN
so stir up crap with the Raiders, they likely started the speculation
by Canadian Raider on Jan 7, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Just wanted to share something ...
I just got off the phone w/my little brother, and that little bastard got to watch the Chargers game with Bianca in friggin Amy Trask’s luxury box, with the finest eats and free cocktails. That spoiled little prick … just kiddin’, I love my bro … but I’m just a little jealous ;)
Anyways, apparently she was in and out all game and he didn’t have any insider tidbits to share, other than that she was really pissed at the Texans for going for 2, lol … and that she and her husband are really cool peeps.
Totally forgot my actual point there ...
The reason I brought this up is that Tony knows Amy pretty well, hence his daughter being invited to her box for the game … and Tony knows Spagnuolo well because of the Saint Louis connection … apparently they’re pretty good friends. Ergo … seems like there’s a decent chance that Tony might recommend him to the Raiders organization.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Who is Tony? your brother?
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Brett's brother is Tony LaRussa?
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No ... my brother's girlfriend is Bianca LaRussa ...
Ya know, I totally forgot I owe you guys a wedding picture …
Justin & Elizabeth Valjalo, Brett & Rebecca Valjalo, Bianca LaRussa & Jordan Valjalo (aka Justin Timberlake’s clone)
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
What the hell ... why didnt that work?
I’ll try again …
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
And for 10 internets ...
Who can tell me the significance of seating location of the following set of ticket stubs from my personal collection?
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Lucky guess!!!
Err … wait … I mentioned it one time on here before and you remembered, right?
Anyways, yeah, you got it. I owe you 10 internets :)
I never actually went in there, I didn’t know Al or anything, but my dad knows someone who used to sit in the box w/Al, and that man used to give my pops extra tix on the condition that we found seats elsewhere and didn’t show up at the box.
If Al was still alive I wouldn’t have even posted that, but … sadly … it surely doesn’t matter now.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Very Kool Stuff Bret....My Only Connection Was Threw The Raiders Booster Clubs...
Got to meet several players who attended the Draft Day Parties as well as visited our clubs in “SD” and OakTown…Jim Otto was head of the Steering Comity and came and spoke to us about important issues like Gruden and the Oakland lawsuit against the Raiders for talking about moving again…The ticket sales and PSL"s and marketing mistakes by Oakland City Counsel…
Sweet old memories now…Than also being in “SD” all week for our “SB” and hanging out at the Raiders’ Mariot Hotel….
Looking forwards to being back and getting involved again…Looking at a boat in “SF” so if I get it I will be there at least until my jump off date the 1st of Nov for the Baha-Ha-Ha!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Morris Bradshaw...He's The One Who You Organize Booster Clubs Threw...
These clubs are connected to the Raider organization and under their supervision…I got to be “FamilyDay” security in 92 at Oxnard while with the “SD” County Boosters…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
That was on 10/8/2011
A very odd coincidence …
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
thats awesome
nice work!
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Brett, not tryin to be a dick
and I totally respect your info and insight and commitment to our beloved Raiders! But you look like the bastard child of Aaron Sanchez and Lurch! Maybe it’s just the fact that Bianca is a SMOKIN HOTTIE!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
This has been a funny end to the season. Ive never seen so many people jump ship right before the playoffs
now that o’brien has left the pats and mcdaniels is taking over the job as OC effective immediately. thats pretty crazy considering this is the playoffs and these guys are going for a superbowl. maybe brady will just call all the plays in the huddle
Wow ... an OC leaving right now is a LOT different than a guy like McKenzie ...
That’s crazy. I can’t remember anything like that ever happening.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Could Be A Re-Interview For Hue??
Didn’t see the ESPN report where Chris Mortensen speculated Hue Jackson could be moved aside by new general manager Reggie McKenzie in favor of Green Bay defensive assistant Winston Moss. It was picked up by Profootballtalk.com and apparently was said over the air because ESPN hasn’t seen fit to give it a headline on its Web site.
The PFT headline reads "Reggie McKenzie will have the power to fire Hue Jackson" . . . of course he does. McKenzie doesn’t take the job otherwise. He has been a candidate for GM before and it was a matter of time before he got hired. There’s no way he accepts any job without the ability to hire and/or fire his coach.
The fact is, once McKenzie came aboard, Jackson was essentially re-interviewing for the job he got a year ago. While GMs like the idea of hiring their own guy, don’t discount the fact that Jackson has some distinct advantages over an outside candidate and McKenzie knows it. He’s passionate about the organization, knows the roster and already has been implementing a system of offense for the past two years.
He already started the process of rebuilding it for Carson Palmer, who will be the quarterback for the foreseeable future.
It’s just as easy to speculate Jackson will be retained as it is to assume he’ll be dismissed. He’s got one of 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and it’s not like he’ll be in great demand for another if he butts heads with McKenzie over power. It’s more likely he’ll get on board with McKenzie and relish the opportunity to coach the team and work with someone who will rebuild the infrastructure of the organization.
Bottom line is it’s McKenzie’s call, but a lot of this is up to Jackson and his willingness to work with the general manager rather than feel he has been stripped of power. Following the Green Bay model, McKenzie will stay out of Jackson’s way when it comes to on-field stuff. Mike McCarthy has input with the Packers but ultimately it’s Ted Thompson’s call when it comes to player acquisition, the draft, contracts, etc.
As much as Jackson was willing to take on more within the organization, as he said following the season-ending loss to the Chargers, the McKenzie hiring could be the best thing that could have happened for his career. It’d be better for the organization if McKenzie gives Jackson at least a year to maintain a semblance of continuity unless he thinks they simply can’t work together.
Yup!!…Hue is here as is the RaiderWay with new things being implemented…Mainly according to intelligence reports the restructuring of both the Personnel Dept and the Scouting Dept…NOT the take over of the Raider Franchise nor the dismantling of the Front Office!!!
Mark will continue to be the Ownership and Amy will continue to be Chief Executive Officer and you can expect folks like Jim Otto and many others to still be aboard that Raider Ship…
Reggie is an added assets NOT the new dictator of the empire!!!…His name ain’t Cesar!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Panda couldn't be Nero.
Nero was at least competent in his evil. Chuck was more like Wilhelm II, if Al was Otto van Bismarck.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*** -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f***ed. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in s*** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Well the texans look like they are gonna win. Carson is smiling.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 3:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Way Too Early To Tell...Their Regular Season Game Went Down To The Wire -w- Houston Pulling It Out In The End.....
"Tebowphobe"!!!
its a 14 point game but texans are having their way with them
we will see. who are you guys pulling for next game? i hate the lions so go saints
Normally I HATE anything associated w/Texas ...
But this being their 1st ever playoff game, with a 3rd string QB, playing at home … along the way they have been playing … and the fact that really am not even remotely a Bengals fan either … I’m finding myself pulling for them. I told everyone WAY early this season that this defense for friggin REAL man.
OH … Dalton just threw a pick to Manning … that is game over.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 7, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I Just Hate Kubiac!!!...Damn X-MuleHead Who Went For 2 When The Extra Point Gives Them "OT"!!!
But in the end it didn’t matter anyway because we fuckin didn’t play “D”!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Told y'all!!
Texans d is relentless and aj has been shut out the 2nd half. Add foster and it was over a quarter ago. I pick the saints to beat Detroit. Saints be my SB pick.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As long as Pitts Ends That Damn "Armless Ass" I'm Happy!!!...That Tebow Crap Has Got To Go!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I think Troy p is due for a pick or 3 for that game.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He’s probably inna get himself ejected with a vicious helmet to helmet hit when the ball is long gone from tebows hand. That hit will also KO tebow and Quinn comes in.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Only way the Bengal have a chance is if wade decides to impersonate chuck and the texans d becomes the ’11 raiders d.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
FUCK u Houston!!! I wanted the raiders to sign Joseph in the offseason last year!!!!!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
MY RAIDEZ
Hello nation and best regards,I sincerely feel your frustration with this team as I am and always been a true fan. I have been through the good… Raiders 32 min 14(1977), Raiders 27 phil 10 (1980), and Raiders 38 wash 9(1983) That was fun when I got spoiled as a 12 year old kid until I turned 18! I am a 47 year old man now and I miss the passion !!! I truely would like that back and we have tooken the right step with Mckenzie as GM. Gotta tell ya though,“when I watched Hue fall to his knees and cry” the day after Al died when they beat the texans. Well that was the day I knew he was a pussie!! So went our team as most of us would mourn but not puss out,especially as a first year coach. I think this team needs to be thouroughly cleaned in on the coaching end.Hue led to Bresnahan and the end of our season. NEVER FEAR REG IS HERE! LOVE MY NATION
Yo!!...That Was Sick On Your Part!!!....Sense When Is That Type Of Emotion A "Puss"???
I’m 61 and been a Raider fan sense 12…That 63 season and an Al Davis fan as well…Read my script…And I’m NOT the least bit ashamed of the fact that I cried when we lost our “GodFather”!!!
Had I been in that game there’s NO doubt I would have joined Hue in tears…The man is real and his feeling for this team are also real and I for one am damn glad to fianaly have a “HC” who honestly believe in my football team the way Madden did who also CRIED when he retired as well as many of our players!!!…Are you now calling them “Pusses” too???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
+1
I had no problem with that at all it actually showed me a little something about Hue he’s the real deal no phony bs.
by spfldillinois on Jan 7, 2012 11:09 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Shit man I wept a little myself when I saw the video of him crying
The next friggin’ day.
Guess I’m a pussy.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions
At Least the raiders give up one 1st and 1 2nd and not two firsts. Goodbye Cincy. Now Carson can smile.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
When healthy FUCK no Run dmc >foster but since dmc isn’t healthy 50% of the time I guess u can say that
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well it sure would be nice to see McFadden play in more than 82 % of regular season games.
by AuthenticA'sfan on Jan 7, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
have you guys seen the list of FA rbs next year?
imagine having ray rice as our #1 and mcfadden as #2 back. theres a ton of available rbs. too bad we dont have any cap room
No way rice leaves Baltimore
Raiders do have Taiwan… They need another bruiser back if bush leaves.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just dont see Bush thriving as a #1 back, he's not so versatile/explosive.
by AuthenticA'sfan on Jan 7, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully, not to disrespect bush, teams see that and he stays here. Both he and dmc can have 1000yds each If all goes right.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 5:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No disrepect to Bush. I enjoyed seeing the McFadden/Bush tandem.
Bush is more than just a closer. I’d hate to see him leave.
by AuthenticA'sfan on Jan 7, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
The thing that puts me over the hump w/wanting to keep Bush
Is his hands. He may not be that fast, but dude can friggin catch the football, man.
by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
getting old
Especially in rb years. Plus he’s going to want to get paid.
by spfldillinois on Jan 8, 2012 4:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ugh I don’t like Schwartz! Kill em brees!!!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
im glad im not the only one that doesnt like him
hes a douche. im suprised suh hasnt punched him yet
Schwartz coaches em that way that’s why. They probably knock each other upside the head in the locker.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 4:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'll get killed for saying this
but Schwartz has a bit of old-school Madden swagger about him.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*** -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f***ed. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in s*** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
glory
Next year,healthy horse(dmc) palmer getting it with the stud receivers and no fucking bres gotta love it
The lions are the only team in the nfl that can go toe to toe with the raiders in terms of stupidity.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 5:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Go saints. Damn all I need is some carne asada and my Saturday evening/night is off to an awesome start.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 5:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wow. Saints have no d!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 7, 2012 5:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
nothing to do with previous posts but
Does anyone think that if we were to switch to a 3-4 defense, that we could trade a couple of our extra dlinemen for a couple DECENT lbs for the system? I think Rolando would be good there…maybe Kelly could be our NT?
by aToomb Raider on Jan 7, 2012 8:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If we did I think we would have to make some trades I dont think that Kelly could regularly play NT although the Cowboys have had some success with a smaller nose in Ratliff
the problem I see us having is that we dont have a natural NT and we have a glut of Defensive ends that dont really translate to being 3-4 outside line backers. I dont think Shaughnassy is a 3-4 end or outside linebacker I think Houston, Seymour and Kelly can all play 3-4 D-End without too much trouble but they cant all play at the same time. If we switched to 3-4 i think 2 of those 4 guys would have to be traded for pieces that fit or draft picks to draft players that fit.
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although considering Mario Williams transitioned well to 3-4 OLB perhaps Shaughnasty could do the same
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so my question to you Oz is
If we do get a coach like moss as DC, do u possibly see this happening? And would you be for or against…I know bottom line u just want watever gives us the w. But maybe we can run a hybrid?? (Just thinking of possible outcomes)
by aToomb Raider on Jan 7, 2012 8:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I personally am a big fan of the 3-4 defence and would completely be all in for it if thats the way they decided to go.
I also see it as a definite possibility with McKenzie coming from GB and having worked under Ron Wolf who oversaw the championship winning 3-4 defences in Oakland. I remember year before last they spoke of running a hybrid defence with John Marshall but nothing major came of it.
I personally feel that the 3-4 is much more suited to the way that the game is being played these days as I think having more LB’s and DB’s on the field is the way defences are destined to evolve especially with the way offences are evolving to more spread and option type systems where it is an advantage to have more athletes on the field. I also prefer the way you can blitz and disguise pressure with the 3-4 and I like rushing linebackers rather than relying more on pressure from linemen.
One thing that many people forget is that all of our superbowls were won in 3-4 and we were the first franchise in history to win a superbowl with a 3-4 defence.
Long story short Yes i would really like to see the 3-4 back in Oakland despite the fact we would be potentially forced in to some tough personnel decisions.
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i totally agree with everything you said
And I think this system would also benefit wimbley as our rush lb..not sure if curry fits unfortunately…but that’s where a hybrid defense comes in..if I’m not mistaken bmore runs this d..
by aToomb Raider on Jan 7, 2012 9:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Love This!
First time posting Raider Nation in Central Illinois going strong. Just win baby! I feel really good about an actual football guy running the show for once I know we don’t have a draft but we are still stacked with young talent lets get it. I’m also for giving Hue another year I think the guys got potential.
by spfldillinois on Jan 7, 2012 10:50 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
"I feel really good about an actual football guy running the show for once"...WHAT???
Com’on…Did you NOT know that Al Davis was as “actual football” as it ever gets???
Welcome to the board but please don’t make sarcastic hit’s on the man’s memory…
Reggie was a late rd Davis pick who learned under the old Raider Way…He than learned under the “GB” system which was run by an X Raider who learned it under the old Raider Way too…Al Davis then left behind a short list of who was to run the show…Reggie is that man…So hand picked by Al Davis himself….So make NO mistake about it this move is still very much with Al’s hand on the franchise and I don’t expect Al’s son to dither much from his father’s plans…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I know al was a football man
Your saying that you would have been just as happy with Al still running the show as you will with mckenzie?
by spfldillinois on Jan 8, 2012 1:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
we now have a gm
That had control over player personnel and coaches which is something Al never would have ceded power to. I commend Mark Davis for realizing that in 2012 you need a gm that has control the Al/Jerry Jones model just isn’t working anymore.
by spfldillinois on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hue Has NO Plans For Hip Severance Surgery -n- Reggie Will NOT push The Issue!!!
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
“J-Mac” adds:
CSN Bay Area reported that “three sources close to the team” said Jackson will remain with the team and that “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip.” Jackson has helped improve a moribund offense in two years, the first year as offensive coordinator.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
hue in trouble?
Espn saying again that hue jack city may be in trouble which surprises me I still think he deserves one more year.
by spfldillinois on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
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