Oakland Raider Thoughts From the Cuff: Trade Carson Palmer And Keep Jason Campbell

We are an offensive team now. Our offense was taking us to the playoffs at the end and our defense lost it. Why does everybody want to trade the good players on offense. 100% healthy our offense beats our defense. Campbell didn’t do well with the west coast offense that we are running now. Campbell does turn the ball over with fumbles. Palmer will be great.

Carson’s salary is going nowhere. Just bring in competition to motivate him and its the best you can really do.

Its possible but I think carson stays. Needs to cut down on the ints though. Id like to see jason back but hue gave up a lot for carson and he isn’t too old. I’ve already said I prefer manning but that prob won’t happen. Carson will start in 2012.

He left so many plays on the field because of his hesitation problems and his fear to throw deep…He took far too many sacks when he could have gotten rid of the ball and that dude absolutely can’t slide…The dude has Zero Up-Side and is topped out at Mediocre!!!

He excels at handing off the ball if that’s the type of “O” that excites you…And all this with 2 full seasons prep but he still doesn’t know the freakin play book!!!

Carson was better and did more with less than 1/4 the prep time and less weapons left in the game due to all the injuries…Just imagine what he can do with a full off season and training camp???

But that catch manningham made yesterday will put a couple extra bucks in his pocket come FA. He’ll probably be too expensive for the raiders.

May I please get a dime bag of whatever you are smoking?

I think the panic of losing the West last year has got the Nation flat out retarded.

Campbell couldn’t hold Palmer’s jock strap in ANY system. I for one am not about to support a decision that would have us right back where we started. With Campbell under center we stood no chance of getting a win unless our running game worked. That is a FACT. I’ve asked this question before and I’ll ask it again. Can you name one single game where we won because Campbell took the offense on his shoulders?

Palmer got off the couch halfway into a season. And in that half of a season he threw for more yards and was relied on too much I will admit. Sure he threw a bunch of picks, but I’d like to see any QB get put in that situation and not have some flaws. It’s impossible in that position to come in and not make mistakes. Oh and there was that whole thing where all of a sudden we couldn’t run the ball anymore, making Carson have to carry the entire team because we all know he wasn’t getting help from the Defense.

If we go back to Campbell here is what will happen. Our WRs will disappear, our TE will once again lead the team in receptions and unless we can without a doubt run the ball 50 times a game successfully we will lose. I for one have no desire to watch that again. With Carson I know that the bombs he throws will actually be completed instead of thrown away time and time again.

And if our defense is worth a shit this year, the interceptions won’t matter as much. They were very costly for us this year because there was no stopping their offense.

And on a side note I gotta say this is getting outright ridiculous. In 2 months I’ve watched a fan base pretty much agree that this team was one or two pieces away from being a real contender to trading the only good arm we have for a mediocre QB that doesn’t know how to slide or complete passes longer then 10 yards. I think with all the craziness in the front office so far you guys have bought into “rebuilding” instead of “building”

But you guys go ahead and call for Campbell…..The guy who had a QB rating of 10 against SF. The guy who never won a single game when he threw for over 300 yards, because the only time he did was in garbage time when we were already getting our asses kicked. I’ll go ahead and stick with Palmer who may throw picks, but he also does something Campbell could only dream of. Throw TDs.

With Knapp as OC (urgh I hate writing that) I think Campbell is the better fit than Carson for all the reasons stated above. We are going to be an even more run heavy team than we have been in the past and we need someone who can be a field manager more than a gun slinger with a penchant for sacks and turnovers.

The problem is that I just don’t see anyone trading for Palmer for much more than a 3rd round pick. Palmer has a hefty contract for the results he produces. While I think it would be a good move for our cap and our offensive system, I just don’t see many teams jumping to get an aging mediocre QB.

If it can be done though…sign me up.

And Jason came out and was average. He also had a sick running game helping him. Carson came in with no prep and loss of DMC and still out preformed him. to me it isnt even close.

Split just about right down the middle on voting.

He wasn’t able to make the quick decisions when Zorn and Gibbs were coaching. More of a drop back and check down QB. Campbell sucks. Let him try to go be a starter somewhere else. Maybe he surprises me and takes the cardinals to a Super Bowl.

Lets look at the most recent teams to reach the SB (2008-2012) and their QBs:

2008: Giants (Eli) vs Patriots (Brady)
2009: Steelers (Pig Ben) vs Cardinals (Warner)
2010: Colts (Peyton) vs Saints (Brees)
2011: Steelers (Ben) vs Packers (Rodgers)
2012: Giants (Eli) vs Patriots (Brady)

See a trend here? They all have what you may call “elite” QBs…

In my eyes thats Carson, Campbell…not so much…

I wouldn’t trade Carson he’s the best QB we’ve had since Gannon, he gives us the best chance at a World Championship…

The proposition is not Palmer vs. Campbell straight up, it’s JC + money + pick vs. Palmer—which makes it more understandable that the votes are split. And of course it’s just a theoretical proposition as it’s not something the Raiders are going to try. There was one team in the market for Palmer in 2011 and I doubt there will be more in 2012.

Palmer did show that he was healthy and could make some great throws but he also showed a propensity for making questionable decisions (some attributable to being in a new system in mid-season and others just plain dumb with no excuses). I don’t see a market for Palmer and his salary, so we’re stuck with him and have to hope that he plays well.

Terrelle Pryor will be somewhat of a wild card, but given that Hue chose not to play him at all, we have no idea of his skills and preparation. He made some nice plays in college and has excellent running ability but who knows if he can cut it at an NFL level.

Some of the criticisms leveled at JC are accurate—such as his tendency to freeze up sometimes and his slow read progression—but it’s not like Palmer is godlike in comparison. He has a better arm for sure but he was ineffective in many important situations and didn’t wow me with his reads, either. I don’t understand the negativity against a guy who played hard and had the bad luck to get injured before getting moved aside by his team. It’s not like he didn’t want to play for the Raiders, for goodness sake.

all this is a bunch of rubbish!!!! why would you want to trade our best players and replace them with average!!! oh wait thats what they did with the coaching staff so maybe lol

Not sure why people keep posting this. Bored or what?

Essentially the Raiders committed to Palmer for two years, so just accept it. The Raiders still owe the Bengals a draft pick, so just keep him, otherwise you cut him and get nothing, or trade him for a draft pick and give it to the Bengals.

STOP POSTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER…

Just what if the D didnt work? A team that is defensive fits better with an offense who takes care of the ball?? Anyone remember who was just crowned SB champions?? A defensive team that HAS an offense…the Pats are an offensive team that lacks a D. The most complete and balanced team is the one who wins, Saint is pretty much saying that we have to give up the 9th ranked O so that the D does the job….anyone remember why the niners went 13-3?? Yes, the D, anyone imagines how far they would have went with some receivers and a QB??? Maybe they would win it all….Carson>>>>>>Jason. PERIOD. I love Jason, but that is a fact. We are commited to him, as unfair as it was for Jason to bring Carson in, Carson has been a class act too….he re-structured his contract and worked his ass off all the time, I dont imagine either, seeing Jason play without a running game. Trade DMC, trade Carson, trade Moore (yes I have seen it), trade DHB (that too)…..what else? Trade the name of the franchise for a 1st and hopefully a 2nd round draft pick??? facepalm

http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/02/superbowl-lessons-for-raidernation.html

my guess is no one.

There’s really no comparison for JC and Palmer, and anyone who doesn’t realize CP is light year’s better and would be nearly perfect with the run game production Jason enjoyed needs to learn how the game works at this level.

Will he ever be considered a “protector of the ball,” or a “game manager” ? No, and no good quarterback should. I held hope that Jason might evolve into a shred of some of what we saw Carson do rusty, but my better judgment told me if he didn’t have it yet, he’d never get it, and all that shit all those Skins fans warned us about was accurate, at least to a greater degree than I had chosen to believe.

The reality is, if anyone would entertain that trade and we might somehow regain some picks from such a trade, we must consider it a real possibility under the new regime, as any prudent GM would consider any and all options. Like much else on this team, this promises to be interesting…

the question of whether or not he would pout and just sit out like he did in Cincinnati. If I were a GM in need of a QB, I would be wary of pursuing Palmer, keeping that very thing in mind.

Off The Cuff is a thought that comes to mind, but hasn’t been thought out. I can say that after reading this thread, I am All-In with Carson and that is what you have to be if you are going to pass on an extra pick and 4.5 million.

Palmer will crush IT with a good running game. I mean, did he have Bush and D-Mac in Cincy? Hell NO!

Let’s give him a full year to prepare as the starter and see what he does.

Good stuff Nation, way to bring it and show support for our QB.

Cheers!

With over 1,000 votes Jason Campbell + 4.5 million and a 2nd Rounder is winning 51% – 48%.

I think Marky-Mark will do what he feels is best (to get out of his father’s shadow and make waves).
Jason will stick around and be given false hope during OTAs. He will eventually get pissed off with the new regime, as will most players and fans, and decide to be traded. Carson will get cocky and sloppy as a guarantied starter. Expect Brady Quinn on the team as 3rd stringer with TP at the no. 2 slot. This team will have a few ex-Broncos and ex-Packers, but don’t expect Rachel Nichols on Favre’s lawn and a Hawaiian Airlines jet in Mississippi anytime soon.

“How bad do ya want this story…”

Have any of you guys heard anything about us putting a permanent patch on the jerseys or a sticker on the helmet to honor Mr. Davis? I would love to see something like this happen.

He’s more of a Raider than Plunkett was, at about the same time in his career, with about twice the yards, playing for Crapinnatti. He’s home. Let him lead this team back to glory. He needs it as bad as we do. Shit he’s the last thing we need to worry about.
51% no, are you kidding me. Come on ! I’ve lived through all the greats, and their rare. I’ve always been right, and Palmer isn’t gonna let me, or you down.
Let’s just hope the new organizations sees it too, and builds in the protection he needs, and surrounds him with more players that want to be real Raiders. I’ve seen a few, but we need a whole team of them.

We all know that what Palmer has in talent he lacks in accuracy AND leadership. I don’t care what you say, a TRUE LEADER does not do what he did to the Bengals. And, This Offense was All-in with Campbell.

Let’s all be real, Carson has the deep accuracy we all want. But, Campbell fits the system. Palmer takes Sacks too easy, Campbell misses the open receiver….though Palmer does as well (Watch Raider Mike’s Youtube Channel – proof is there). Campbell gets sacked, and fumbles at times – Carson throws picks. Carson gets the ball down the field fast – Campbell gets first downs with his feet. Campbell’s QB rating is better, Palmer’s passing yards average is better.

This comes down to 2 things, because the Organization knows it can win with Both QBs. And Let’s be real: Brady, Rodgers, Rothelisberger and Brees DID NOT WIN THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR.

Team Chemistry, and System.

BOTH go in Campbell’s favor.

Palmer is not a West Coast QB. Campbell has the chemistry with the Team. Now, if the system was to change, then you go with Palmer, no doubt. But, if you are running a true West Coast system, Palmer will throw picks, whether it’s the WRs or it’s bad reads – something that happened equally this year.

Also, When Palmer came in, Hue made him comfortable – changed the audibles and playcalling to that which was very similar to the Bengals. Jason learned how many new systems, and did his job every time.

We can win with both, and we can lose with both. And like it or not, the Nation is torn down the Middle.

There’s one very simple way to solve this problem. Have the Players Decide. The Players will play better for who they want, and that is a Fact.

Now, they should keep Campbell, then put BOTH on the trade market. The one htat gets the better trade value, wins. However, like I said before, Team Chemistry and System will make the winner.

Y’all know who I want.

There is only one word I can say about this article. “VALUE”!!!! The whole article is about trading Palmer and keeping Campbell. Palmer was on a couch when the Raiders called him. I doubt he will be of any “value”. As long as we are at it. I doubt Campbell will draw any “value” either. This situation is a no value trade til one of these guys shows they are a true ready for prime time QB. Nobody is willing to trade for them as of right now. JMHO

and we’ll keep Pryor… (getting a good look at him this preseaon)

Jason Campbell is as good as gone with Oakland.

It might have been Hue’s idea to trade for Palmer, but Mark Davis pulled the trigger. So let me get this straight, you want to trade Palmer for a 2nd round pick, after the Raiders gave up a 1st and 2nd pick for in order to keep a lack luster QB like Campbell? That doesn’t make good football sense. Palmer is capable of putting up 400 yard passing games, the new bench mark in passing yards for NFL QB’s from the old bench mark of 300 yards. Campbell struggles to put up 300 yards. I much rather have Palmer in today’s NFL offensive shootouts. It’s a QB driven league.

If it’s Palmer’s picks your concerned about? Don’t be. The guy came off the couch with no experience with throwing to his WR’s, nor was he in football shape early on. Take a good look at the Detroit game, that’s what a ready to play Carson Palmer brings to the table. Campbell has never had a game as good as that in his entire NFL carrier. Yes, the Raiders lost to Detroit, but it had nothing to do with Palmer’s play. Give Palmer a chance with a full training camp and preseason and he’ll blow the doors off a QB like Campbell.

Palmer with Campbell gives us TWO GOOD QBs. Campbell and Boller didn’t work and WON’T work. If you get rid of Carson you STILL have to invest in a bonafide back up so forget saving money , or acquiring draft picks. R.F.F.R.

At first it took me a minute to warm up to JC. Last year we beat everyone in our division. We even stopped the losing streak against SD and broke a scoring record against Denver (I believe). I was still hesitant, then I heard he was leading off season practises. I was still like, I don’t know. Then we started this season with no OTA’s and after a lock-out. We were winning! Al Davis said that JC reminded him of Plunkett. He also said that Alex Smith was a good QB just give him time. John Elway didn’t win his first superbowl until years after he began playing…

When JC went down, I was like… Let’s go Kyle Boller, u looked good in offseason. He came in and looked like he wasn’t prepared. I believe we should have stayed with Boller and signed the stanford QB we let go in pre-season… But then Hue wanted Palmer…

When I first heard that we gave up all those picks for this guy, I couldn’t believe it. Then they said he was practising in LA with TO and TJ. He came in and threw like 3 picks. Boller could have did that. Then he ended up with like 20 INT’s in half a season, and we lost. Peyton Mannning will come back next season and not throw 3 int’s in a game, even after neck surgery. He is elite, Palmer is not.

One other point… When Palmer came aboard we went back to the same old “make excuses”, “trade everyone”, “fire the coach” BS we have be watching for like 8 years. When JC was our starter we were young and talented. Just the mind state of the team seamed more stable. I read how we need to trade DMAC, FORD, BEY and, excuse me, KEEP PALMER. You are seriously in need of a positive male role model and not looking at a FOOTBALL TEAM.

Thanks for reading…

Look at how much Palmer’s contract is worth…it’s one of the highest in the league at his position. He gets more money than Tom Brady. His contract really hurts this team and for the price we pay him…we better be in the playoffs every year and he better play at an elite level. He hasn’t done that so far and I understand he’s had to come off the couch and get settled but here are the cap numbers from this year:

Carson Palmer – $16.25M (As Saint points out it’s only $12.5M next year)
Jason Campbell – $4.5M

Fact is Palmer is a better qb,no questions.I don’t want to control the clock.Lets light up the score board also.Yes he is a gun slinger,who would you want Farve in his prime or Rogers.There are other ways to save some money.Trade McFadden

NFL.com Power Poll
Teams ranked Nos. 1 through 32, as voted on by a panel of nine NFL.com and NFL Network experts.

Rank/Team/W-L

1 New York Giants 13-7

2 New England Patriots 15-4

3 Green Bay Packers 15-2

4 San Francisco 49ers 14-4

5 Baltimore Ravens 13-5

6 New Orleans Saints 14-7

7 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-5

8 Houston Texans 11-7

9 Detroit Lions 10-7

10 Atlanta Falcons 10-7

11 Cincinnati Bengals 9-8

12 Denver Broncos 9-9

13 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8

14 Dallas Cowboys 8-8

15 Tennessee Titans 9-7

16 San Diego Chargers 8-8

17 New York Jets 8-8

18 Oakland Raiders 8-8

19 Arizona Cardinals 8-8

20 Seattle Seahawks 7-9

21 Chicago Bears 8-8

22 Kansas City Chiefs 7-9

23 Miami Dolphins 6-10

24 Carolina Panthers 6-10

25 Buffalo Bills 6-10

26 Washington Redskins 5-11

27 Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11

28 Cleveland Browns 4-12

29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12

30 Minnesota Vikings 3-13

31 St. Louis Rams 2-14

32 Indianapolis Colts 2-14

Campbell is an efficient proven winner who is cheap and we keep our pick? Give me JC without hesitation

7 years of ugly football were enough for people to be happy being avarage, they dont want to take risks and all they want to do is just enough NOT TO LOSE. Look, Campbell will always be avarage, he will be an 8-8 guy all the time, you want to go safe by keeping him and trading McFadden and getting some picks, that is PURE mediocrity, do you remember the way Al did these things?? Later in his life he fell in love with some players liek Campbell and wouldnt have made the trade for Palmer, but I would bet Al wouldve made this trade in the 80’s. He would have never traded DM (Bo Jackson anyone). He wanted to WIN. He didnt go safe and be happy just going to the playoffs (something I have heard that is enough) He didnt want a Campbell that could go to the playoffs and win 1, he wanted a Palmer that although being a risky move, was capable of winning a SB. Talent goes to Palmer by head and shoulders. Now if we are running a WCO it will be needy of Palmer even more, being a pass first offense. Do we rely on Campbell throwing 30 times a game and DMC running 10-15? Or do we rely on Palmer throwing 30 times a game and DMC running 10-15?? GIVE ME PALMER ALL DAY. Campbell is a simple game manager that was over rated because he saved us from the walrus. I like Campbell as a person but he wont win it all by being a good guy. Palmer will have the offseason, if he under performs, we were wrong, but if he meets the expectations I have for him then lets go and keep it up. The players will get behind him as time goes on, and the ones who are too proud to do so then leave, either way we dont need any whiny girls in the place, read this post about it: http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/2/6/2776118/ive-found-a-cure-for-the-oakland-raiders . Anyone not willing to get behind the new QB then must leave, right now all the players can do is get behind him and play their best. I expect good things, go raiders.

Financially he was expensive, however, Palmer offers the best chance to win, he had No training camp or real preparation for a NFL season, he didn’t have our best RB and our Defense lost him at least 3 games. On top of it he had to learn the equivilent of a foriegn language. Pay Palmer, also he offers the best instruction to T. Pryor who is sitting in the wings. Pryor is the future of the Raiders at QB, having Palmer on the roster only helps in Pryors development & preparation for the future. And make No mistakes T. Pryor is going to be an outstanding NFL QB for us…Go Raiders!!!

consistently.

With a healthy McFaddy, we can put up some major points.

And that’s what you need to do against some of the teams we’ll meet in the playoffs.