It is Official: The Raiders Have Hired Jason Tarver
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 6, 2012 10:53 PM PST
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PrintNow, this is exactly what we need in Oakland. A young, hard working football rat with a deep knowledge of all areas of the Pro Game and that is exactly what the Raiders are getting by hiring Jason Tarver.
This is a HUGE upgrade over "The Bad Chucky".
Tarver has worked on both sides of the ball and has worked extensively with Inside Linebackers while ascending to Assistant DC over the past two years. You hear that Rolando? This guy worked under Nolan and Singletary and coached Patrick Willis. Watcha got big boy?
It's a new dawn, it is a new day!
With Allen and Tarver in town, I don't think that there will be many plays taken off on the defensive side of the ball.
You know what Raider Nation I am starting to get excited about the 2012 season and the 2011 season just ended yesterday.
I have a feeling that Reggie McKenzie has an idea of a few players that he wants to get on here and if they fit the mold of hungry "Football Players" that these two coaches seem to preach about, then next year will be something to behold.
With the Raiders having 50-1 odds to win next year, I may just lay $20 down then next time I am in Reno. $20 to win 1,000? I'm IN!!!
Welcome Jason, now GET TO WORK!!!
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I'm dropping a C note
wtf? why not?
I’ll be ten feet tall and feeling like a million bucks if that miracle happens! Tarver feels like the right guy at the right time. Can’t wait to see it all unfold.
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Those odd are a farce and the Raiders are a good buy at 50-1 since the real odds are 32-1
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The real odds are 32-1?
No, that is so wrong. You’re obviously not a betting man. Yes, there are 32 teams in the NFL, but to say the Raiders championship odds are 32-1 is suggesting that Green Bay’s championship odds are also 32-1.
its pure math right now
nobody should ever be lower than 32-1 i would put Green Bay at somewhere between 5-1 and 7-1 the Niners were 20-1 thats also nice long shot.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Um really I do...
There Bookmakers odds and the real odds…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Super bowls aren't won by random draw
I’ll do better. I’ll give you 32-1 on the rams, jaguars, browns and vikings as a field. any of them. Will you send me $100? Why not, I’m giving you a 400% odds bonus right?
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 7:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If i could get the Niners at 20 - 1 and the Raiders at 50-1 why would I take dog excriment teams...
I’m trying to point out that if the raiders are ranked at 17-22 in the league and you are giving me 50-1 that the implied odds associated make this a value bet.
The 4 shitty teams offered teams are not value bets… those are sucker bets.
When you hit 6 trifectas out of 10 races at the track call me… that was my last effort.
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No, you said that "no team should be higher than 32-1"
Which is incorrect, because some teams suck ass and should be much higher. Go to the track. You’ll see a 12 horse race with a 99-1 shot. The bookmakers’ odds ARE the “real odds” or as close as you’ll find. They’re quite good at what they do.
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 10:27 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oh I agree with the fact that the sports books are very successful and good at what they do.
Purely from a statistics and probability point of view no team should be lower then a 32-1…
The odds of Russian Roulette with a 6 shot revolver is simply 1-6 per occurrence.
The coin flip 2-1
Just the simply you have 32 team only 1 team can win the base odds are 32-1 now you can add factors into the mix but at this point anything can swing the odds…
There has already been movement Raiders at MGM are now 60-1
ODDS TO WIN 2013 SUPER BOWL
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Team Odds
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New England Patriots 5-1
Green Bay Packers 11-2
Pittsburgh Steelers 6-1
Philadelphia Eagles 6-1
New York Giants 8-1
New Orleans Saints 10-1
San Francisco 49ers 10-1
San Diego Chargers 12-1
Houston Texans 12-1
Chicago Bears 17-1
Detroit Lions 18-1
Atlanta Falcons 18-1
Dallas Cowboys 20-1
Baltimore Ravens 20-1
New York Jets 20-1
Indianapolis Colts 25-1
Tennessee Titans 30-1
Cincinnati Bengals 30-1
Buffalo Bills 50-1
Kansas City Chiefs 50-1
Seattle Seahawks 50-1
Denver Broncos 50-1
Carolina Panthers 50-1
Miami Dolphins 50-1
St. Louis Rams 50-1
Oakland Raiders 60-1
Minnesota Vikings 60-1
Arizona Cardinals 60-1
Cleveland Browns 75-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 100-1
Washington Redskins 125-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 150-1
This is the Sucker bet New England Patriots 5-1
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
those are random occurrences
you can’t compare a random occurrence to a game of skill. There are no “base odds” unless the NFL was made up of 32 teams of equivalent robots.
PS I don't sports bet, too much risk, but if I was near a sports book I would take the Niners and the Raiders... as solid plays..
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I agree with these assessments
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 10:29 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Nothing wrong with a sports bet every once in a while...
I won $500 on this Super Bowl….Giants under baby!
thought he was olb coach for niners
inside lb coach/ def coordinator for stanford,
but i could be wrong…
i hope so, before this year niners olb not impressive
he was the outside backers coach for the niners.
i wouldnt say that the niners olb’s were not impressive before this year. tarver help transition manny lawson from an edge rusher in college to a pretty productive olb and the same with brooks when the niners brought him in. both guys had a lot of sacks and forced some fumbles. tarver had something to do with their success.
I didn't realize this guy wasn't even the playcaller for Stanford
I’m a little less excited about this hire now. I figured this guy was the reason for the great Stanford defensive stats but it was the other co-DC. Now we have 2 fairly inexperienced defensive coaches with a combined 1 season of playcalling experience and the most predictable vanilla OC in the league. It’s hard not to see this coaching staff as a downgrade from last year other than Chuck being replaced by anyone which is an automatic upgrade.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
I see Tarver and Allen as a combo:
Are they an experiment? Yep.
Are they two very well respected and hard working young coaches? Yep.
Will they make their NFL footprints as Raiders? Hell yes!!!
Are they retreads? Hell no!!!
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Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just hope all the new young blood in the coaching staff on the defensive side so far is a positive
I’m really glad we didn’t go after Manusky and anyone is an upgrade over Bres so I hope this young tandem is the key to unlocking the potential on this defense as we have some really good pieces. Allen is going to be the leader, visionary, and disciplinarian we sorely lacked last season and Tarver will be the teacher and the right hand of Allen.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
+1
for for typing a number too high for retards.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
New isn't always great
Allen and Tarver have never held the roles they currently have.
People were just as excited last year for Hue. I’ll pass on the excitement until they prove something.
All things considered I think Hue did great,but
I think its great that we are starting to shift focus to the defense.
Saint this was a huge pick up by the Raiders....
Tarver will add a real understanding of Defense and relay it too the players…This is outstanding, also Tarver actually is watching the games he is coaching and knows who to make adjustments, something the Raiders failed to do all season last year!!! This is great for the Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Feb 9, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I see Tarver and Allen as a combo:
Are they an experiment? Yep.
Are they two very well respected and hard working young coaches? Yep.
Will they make their NFL footprints as Raiders? Hell yes!!!
Are they retreads? Hell no!!!
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 7, 2012 5:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
OH HELL NAW!!!
Our coaching staff is worst than an expansion team coaching staff!!!! I have Vince McMahon ring entrance music ringing in my head now. “No chance!!! No chance in hell!!! You got..no chance!!!! No chance in hell” we will be making the play-offs anytime soon.
Overreact much?
Switch to decaf
by lchristmas on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And You Had Hopes With "SuckChuck"???
I’m not yet happy/impressed with the “OC” selection of Knapp but that doesn’t automatically translate into a wide spread failure…Just a probable regressing on the “O”…But if the “D” can make up suitable ground than we will be in it…
These are reasonable expectations:
“O” < #9
“D” > #27
"ST"s Improved
Hopefully This:
“O” Top 15
“D” Top 15
"ST"s Top 10
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Anybody is better than Bresnahan. We missed out on Nolan and Del Rio. We still have the problem with coaches not wanting to come to us and we just accepting a bunch of no names/unproven coaches who are getting their first show as the head coach or coordinators?
This is a short sided view IMO
Why bring in someone who could leave for a HC spot next year… Del Rio is overrated much better player than a coach!
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Who said we offered those guys jobs?
You have no idea whether Tarver will be a good NFL dc, but his track record shows a very smart, driven, smart, guy with a history of success… And youre willing to shit on our chances before he gets in the building. You’d have preferred some retread just because hes done it before (and since hes now available, has been fired).
Evidence indicates this as a great hire. Enjoy the train ride down to pessimism town.
by lchristmas on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mm hmm cause you have much insight to how they choose their coaches.
Oh wise one, who will we draft?
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No Idea
I won’t even speculate on this, so how can you. It’s just a new direction for the Raiders with a GM with power and a HC who hires his own staff. Never been done since Al has been in charge. We are all along for the ride.
by Mallard Davis on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
It's a new dawn indeed.
Just the fact that there is a disciplined minded individual like Allen in charge adds a MINIMUM of 2 wins to this season’s schedule. Now insert a LITERAL Genius as DC and all of the sudden you can see the sphincters tightening on the defensive side of the locker room. Put out or get out! LISTEN and APPLY …or get out.
And Saint , lets keep both Palmer AND Campbell Brother. You would only have to go out and get a BONAFIDE backup which neither saves money or acquires draft picks. Palmer goes down – Campbell comes in …we don’t miss a beat. Win – Win me thinks ! R.F.F.R.
This is a big question mark.
At least it aint a retread though. Manusky was my worst fear. Tarver is a guy with a masters in 2 hard sciences… he also won two teaching awards while earning his masters. I’m gonna trust he is smarter than the avg D coordinator.
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Bill Gates is smarter than the average D Coordinator
Doesn’t mean I want him calling our plays.
If he had a decade of NFL coaching experience I'd give him a shot
Ridiculous analogy
by lchristmas on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bill Gates
Has called the same number of plays in the NFL/NCAA as Tarver has.
you do realize that every coordinator at some point has to be a first-time coordinator right?
and the guy looks eminently qualified to me, and by all accounts, he is.
he’s not just smart. he’s football smart, and so your comparison utterly fails.
i love the hire. i would expect nothing more than pessimism from you.
I'm sick of rookie coaches
Everyone was excited for Kiffin, Cable, Jackson, and now Allen/Tarver.
I’m sick of going through “rookie struggles” and having guys learn on the job and all of the excuses that go along with it. The last ten years have been same shit, different year. Give a guy a chance, fans overreact calling him a “great young mind”, tell fans to be patient, coach fails, he gets fired, fans turn on the coach saying he was never any good to begin with, repeat.
Everyone was just as excited for Hue/Saunders as they are for Allen/Tarver. I’ve learned to wait until getting overly excited about a college co-defensive coordinator who didn’t call plays at Stanford coming into Oakland and running the defense.
Well we'll wait and see
Must be fun to be all doom and gloom on every move your team makes, even if your team fails you get to be right
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
All I'm saying is
that I’m waiting until I get excited. Nothing wrong with that. I didn’t say anything doomy(is this a word?)/gloomy merely commenting on the same story, different chapter aspect of the Raiders since 2002.
It’s much easier to be negative when the Raiders have had three winning seasons since moving back to Oakland. Unfortunately, when we hit 7-4 I started believing in this team, only to be even more disappointed by the 1-4 finish.
People were excited about Cable?
Huh, did not know that. Either way, I think Hue did a decent job and could have done better given a 2nd chance. And I don’t think Kiffen was ever given much of a chance by Al because of the whole Russell nonsense.
I wanted Hue to come back for a 2nd season, but since he’s not I’ve moved on and am behind our new hires. Hoping for the best. And I’m more than willing to give these guys more than a single season to prove themselves.
You're sick of anything positive!
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From what I read, he lasted through 5 coaching turnovers @ the Niners
That has to hold some merit.
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
I can see this two ways
One is that McKenzie is putting together a group of bright young minds who are going to come in and set things right with hard work and brains.
The other is that McKenzie is surrounding himself with a bunch of guys who are so grateful for getting their shots that they won’t dare challenge his power base.
I really hop it is the former, but only time will tell.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
It can be both, it doesnt have to be one or the other
However I dont see McKenzie being insecure about the power he has and not wanting to risk giving some up. No matter who works under him they will know he is the one with the power, its just part of who he is. That being said he really did leave the assistants up to Allen, so the only hire that McKenzie should be really credited for is Dennis.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Looks Like A Great Combo To Me And Could Offset Any Deficiencies Displayed By A Regressing "O"??
Knapp is the only real issue I see going forward…Possibly the “OL” play as well??…
But we should be able to expect upgrades at “WR”/“TE” Coaches and just maybe Al Saunders sticks around as “QB” coach and assistant “OC”???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I think it's pretty refreshing that we will be bringing in an up and coming DC
as opposed to someone just being passed around the league like the last 2 have been. Seems like this guy would get his shot at some point to run a defense, may as well be ours (with some help from the HC). Hopefully he performs well enough that in a couple of years we are concerned about him jumping for his own HC job.
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I think we've got two good, young defensive minded coaches
And I’m very willing to give them a couple of season to really work on the system (not going to freak out if next season isn’t all that great). Still have some reservations about Knapp, but I believe in the talent we have. Bring on September!
Thank you.
but if we have an average defense last year even with the upheaval on offense, we have 2 or 3 more wins.
I expect our defense will be brought up to average level, the offense will be electric, and we win the division.
by lchristmas on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
AU REVOIR CHUCK!
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... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 7, 2012 10:52 AM PST reply actions
+1
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 7, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
“Raiders’ legend Willie Brown is not currently listed on the team’s list of coaches”
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 AM PST reply actions
He Was Evidently Not Invited Back Agter 41 Years With The Team??
As Hue said: No one’s job is safe…LoL!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
He may have to interview like everyone else the legacy has ended...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Is it just me
or do both Tarver and Allen have a little bit of crazy in their eyes??
I like it!
You know I'm feeling good
It’s a new dawn, it is a new day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGzGvlKZn4
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
This hire is just too awesome. can't wait to see our team next season.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Understandable. But I just love Muse. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Good hire
Still have my doubts about ALL of our defensive players other than Branch and Schaunessey. Too many “hybrid” players. And our corners are less than mediocre.
We need some new blood somehow.
I disagree. Routt is a good corner (Certainly better than his play this season suggested). Chris Johnson is solid, if not amazing, and we have several up-and-comers in DVD and Chekwa. Lito is decent, but needs help against the bigger receivers.
Chris Johnson, solid if not amazing?
I’m sorry but Chris Johnson is below average. He had a handful of good games a few years back and people still cling to that for some reason. Other than that the guy has been burnt all over the field. I really hope we move on from him this year and we find someone that can step up and really provide this team with a solid tandem with Routt. It’s hard to gauge if DVD or Chekwa are ready for that role so I think free agency is where we should look. Allen specifically said the secondary is an area we will be looking at this offseason.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
CJ is barely above mediocre at this point in his career!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
How nice would it be to have Routt and Sterling Moore as a tandem for next year
Thanks again Hue!
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I know hey what about Ron Parker
Oh that’s right you cut him and Seattle grabbed him at light speed!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
That just pisses me off whenever I think about it...
Pretty obvious Hue was D Clueless he let a potential starter walk….
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Yeah I remember everyone reporting from training camp at how good this kid looked
It’s so nice to find those diamonds that go undrafted and we had one and let him and Parker walk for no good reason…unless you consider Boyd a good reason…which I don’t at all.
What a waste since we were weak in the secondary this year and will be looking for help there this offseason too.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 8, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
As a Duck fan I find it hard to support Boyd!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
LOL agreed
His hybrid nature is intriguing but his results have been sub par thus far.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 9, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
+1000000
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Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 7, 2012 4:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OK here is my objective opinion on this staff
So I see everyone doing one of two things: Either praising this coaching staff as the people that no one else was smart enough to get, and is such a sure fire thing that they are willing to bet their hard earned cash on it (though the odds are better that you guys take that money to the lotto), or the people that have heard this all before, and know deep down this is yet another gamble by the Raiders, and know that the odds are slim of these people being the saviors of a sinking ship.
I lean more towards the “WTF were they thinking side” for these reasons.
1. Historically the Raiders gamble on these coaches which no one else wants, but then praise to be a diamond in the ruff, until the overhead projector comes out and they denounce the devil from the church. We have seen this way too many times, from Cable to Kiffin to Hue, to Shell (twice), and all the way back to Mike White…
2. This coaching staff has proven nothing. NOTHING. The HC was a one time DC, who had a #20 ranked scoring defense. If you guys are OK with 20th best, you are all numb from the years of ineptitude with the other reject coaching staffs.
3. This OC was so bad the last time he was in Oakland (yes he is a retread for those of you whom forgotten) that Curley had to take the play calling duties from him, and actually did better! Yea, Cable called the plays better!!!! How is this a good hire? Was cable unavailable for play calling again???
4. They now grab a DC with true no DC experience, and from what I can tell has had no defensive play calling experience what so ever. This is the guy that people are claiming to be able to have a top 15 defense? What leads you guys to this conclusion? What am I, and apparently the other 17 teams that could have used the DC who was going to make their team magically a top 15 defense, missing???
5. Then, in the most retarded move of the offseason, they let Fassel go, whom was undoubtably the best special teams coordinator this organization has ever had on the payroll. Why on earth would you let go the guy, who had the only Raiders selected for the pro-bowl? Lechler is always a stud, but yet had arguably his best year. Jano undoubtably had his best year. Condo was recognized for his efforts, and Ford was a stud at returns under this guys coaching. The fakes were out of this world, actually winning the Cleveland game, and the blocked kicks were actually PLANNED plays which worked and won a KC game. How could you possibly think the ST would get better by letting this guy walk???? Hell he is more proven than this entire staff, I would take him as the HC over those others!
Now sure, these guys all COULD come in here and take the team to top 15 in O and D. Could make the playoffs. Could win the division. But so Could have the previous staff (except for Chuck, that guy was a fucking idiot who wastes perfectly good oxygen).
I get Reggie wanting his era, but come on… of all teams, the Raiders should not have gambled with these hires. This team needed, more than anything else, legitimacy. A need for respect that this organization lost years ago. A need to evolve past the 1970s plays, and philosophies. These should have been sound hires, not reaches on people whom are smart at chemistry, or have a military regiment background, and have yet to prove themselves as coaches.
Sure the Raiders needed to smarten up. Have needed that WAY before Callahan called them the dumbest team in America (he was right, it takes a real dumbass to line up over the ball and jump offsides 5-10 times per year). Sure the Raiders could use much better discipline. But you can’t address that without addressing the fact that the Raiders need consistency, a better game plan, better play calling, a coach that KNOWS when to go for the FG, or go for 2. A coach that is a proven motivator, and can manage a clock. More or less, a coach with a proven record.
So what I am saying is this: Though in the end, this may be, I fail to see how any of this is an upgrade. These are reaches by a team that needed to reach like it needed another personal foul penalty.
I am hoping for the best, but deep down inside, I know better. I have seen this all too many times
by TD Rader on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
...all too many times?
Really? How exactly is a move made by a new GM who has never made a such a decision before the same as anything? I understand the hiring of young coaches makes some easy comparisons, but it’s a new regime with absolutely no one, different owner, leading them towards any set way of doing things. As much as some of us are looking for reasons to praise this move, I think you’re looking for ways to knock it. A move by a new GM is just a beginning… Review the individual coaches based on only what we know now. Comparing them to anyone previous is just an easy out… I think he’s the next Jimmy Johnson… No, he’s the next Butch Davis… He is… yet to be determined.
by RaydrsNapoleon on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of your points ignore important context.
1) Yeah, we do take gambles on young coaches. No argument there.
2) Sure Denver was 20th in D under Allen. But you’re ignoring that they were dead last the year before. Allen is still a huge question mark, but all we do know is that Denver’s defense went from terrible to somewhat respectable with him around and the players all seemed to buy into what he was selling.
3) You ignore that Knapp had to deal with Jamarcus “I can’t learn even half the playbook, now give me some Purple Drank” Russell and that he had some solid success with the Niners and Falcons (nothing mind blowing, mind you, but those teams weren’t exactly stacked with talent either).
4) Tarver sounds like a smart guy. And I’m sure anyone is an improvement to what we had.
5) Fassel was good and it’s too bad he left. But our strongest special teams area (our kickers) are going to be fine without him. This last season I wasn’t very impressed with our coverage teams. And we never found a returner to replace Ford when he was out. I don’t feel that losing Fassel is killer (but I did like the guy).
Basically you’re right that these guys could all bomb. But that’s the case with even seasoned coaches. So before they’ve even coached a single game here we can either choose to be optimistic or go all doom and gloom. I’m personally tired of the doom and gloom attitude.
Not trying to pour it on,and I am not doom and gloom... I just don't see the sunshine everyone else does
but I really did consider those points.
Allen got the D marginally better, but with a big help in the player realm too. Last year they did not have Dumerville, nor Miller. Bunkley too was new as was Carter. So yes, he did coach these guys to play to this level, but players need credit too.
Knapp did horrible. But the next weeks Cable called better plays, using the exact same players. Knapp gets no free pass on this one. When Cable calls better plays that means it was Knapp
Tarver may well be better than Panda (god I hope so), but we don’t know. To priase the guy as a hero is a bit premature don’t you think? He has no experience. Yet people are ready to bet money on this guy????
I hope all of you are right, and I am wrong. REALLY I do (and so does my wife, it makes Sundays more enjoyable during football season). I just don’t see how there can be a great deal of excitement for an unproven staff
Just read the Robert Kraft interview on SI
Here’s something I really liked, quote:
Bob Kraft: “In this game, you better take some risks – or you’ll have a nice team, and once every 10 or 20 years you’ll be good.”
Thats exactly what we’re doing here, our staff may look unproven but we’ll never know how good they can be if we dont give them a chance. I’m all for change and totally behind the new direction we’re taking, i have faith in these men, they’re trying to build something special here.
You’re either with us or against us, we dont need bandwagon fans round here, we need true Raiders….
Just win baby!
Some risks
Yes, take some risks. Not risks at literally every coaching position and half the roster spots.
Bob Kraft can talk all he wants about taking risks, but his quarterback is Tom Brady. We’ll see what he has to say when Brady retires and they have an average to below average guy behind center.
People seem to forget that the Patriots were a joke of a franchise pre-Brady.
And he took a risk on Brady nobody saw the great QB he has become
A sixth round pick (199 overall) with no arm, no mobility, skinny guy…
Aren’t we doing the same thing with these coaches? Especially Tarver…lets give them a chance
Dunno how anyone can say Brady has no arm now.
Did they really say that then? I’m too young to remember him being drafted. Earliest Raider memory is Tuck Rule :(
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
When you get rid of a 1st overall pick in his prime (QB Drew Bledsoe traded to Bills)
In favor of a relatively unknown 6th round QB who hadnt played a full season yet (3rd season in the league) that my friend is a risk…
Learn a little history bro before you post your comments….
No need to be douchy about it
I merely thought you were saying they took a risk in drafting Brady. I didn’t realize you meant ditching Bledsoe too. Even then, and I might be wrong, but didn’t they only ditch Bledsoe after Brady won them a Super Bowl (and was MVP during the Super Bowl)? That’s far less of a risk at that point, because they knew they could win with Brady at that point. And he was way cheaper.
+1
It isn’t risky to drop your QB when your backup just won you a Superbowl. Drafting Brady wasn’t a risk, playing Brady was due to an injury to their starter (like if people praised Andy Reid for playing Mike Vick when Kolb got hurt in 2010). Taking a risk is showing Brett Favre the door and handing over the team to A-Rod.
Like i said it looks like a no brainer right now with the success Brady has experienced
since then, but it was a risky move, Bob Kraft didnt even wanted it to happen but he trusted Bill Belichick and his coaching staff and it turned out to be a great move by them.
Its like the draft Peyton or Leaf dilemma in '98
The choice seems obvious now but back then people were really torn trying to decide…
It was pretty clear
Backup QB won you a Superbowl, won Superbowl MVP, and was a ton cheaper than the starter. It wasn’t as risky as you’re making it sound.
Sorry didn't mean to be rude
That decision they made back then looks like a no brainer right now, but it wasnt back then, especially if you ever saw Bledsoe play (back when he was good), Brady’s success looked more like the product of the offensive system and good play by the defense…you dont get rid of your franchise QB and trade him to a division rival when you really dont know if this Brady guy is just a one hit wonder…It was a very risky move that paid off greatly for them, back then it was viewed as a very controversial move around the league…
No worries, man
And I do remember Bledsoe a little. I recall being a bit of a fan of his back in the day. No doubt trading him to a division rival was very risky. And I don’t doubt that going with Brady was a bit worrisome even after he won that Super Bowl. He was very young, after all. And easily could have been one of those 1 season wonders.
At the same time, how do you not start the guy who won you the Super Bowl? And at the same time sit the QB you’re paying tons of money.
Either way, I get your point.
These are many of the same points that I have made as well
While I’m more than willing to give these guys a chance and I hope for the best…you have to look at where these guys are at now and not get caught up in their “potential” because no knows what that potential might be.
I was pretty happy with the Allen hire…I think all the things that were said about him from former players under him and other reputable head coaches show that this guy is a rising talent in the coaching ranks and he seems to be a leader of men which we sorely need. He’s a disciplinarian and someone to hold players accountable.
I agree about Knapp…he is predictable and vanilla and I know he had Russell as a handicap but take out his tenure with Oakland and his resume is still below average for an OC. We have the pieces to be a high powered offense and bringing in a conservative, boring OC is not the best fit in my opinion.
Tarver sounds like a solid choice but with no play calling experience it really gives us no indication as to if he has had any real success as a coach. To make him the DC without knowing what we can expect is a little unnerving but hopefully with 2 bright young defensive minds, they can get the defense back to respectability.
Losing Fassel was simply ridiculous…he was our best coach last year including Hue. Instead we brought in the ST coach that we blocked 2 of their FG kicks in the same game. That’s a serious downgrade. ST has been a strong suit for this team for a while and I have no idea why you’d want to mess with that.
Overall…we are left with a coaching staff riddled with question marks and none of us really know what kind of team we are going to see next year.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
This is what we know now
#20th ranked DC, no HC experience and only one year of coordinator experience is now the HC.
Knapp sucks so badly that Curly yanked his play calling duties after the worst offensive performance in Modern day Raiders football history. The next week, the Curly called plays were far better that the entire season of offense.
The new DC has no experience as being an NFL coordinator, but was the co-DC in Stanford, where he didn’t call the plays.
Thats what we know now. Do you have something we KNOW that I missed? Or is your claim all based upon hope of whom you wish he will be the next “Jimmy Johnson… No, he’s the next Butch Davis… He is… yet to be determined.”
names?
your complaining is only focused on the problem, but whats your solution? who with legitimacy could the raiders could have snagged? del rio was gone quick, and the majority of the other DC hires around the league have not been very flashy. great coaches dont just go on trees, so yes he IS yet to be determined. Its not like the raiders missed out on some great DC opportunity else where and im going to have enough faith that he’s going to be better than pandas dumb ass. being a raider fan has been hard enough already lately, dont make it harder on yourself.
DC names
Del Rio was available, but did go early. Nolan was available too, as was Spagnuolo. I may have even been OK with position coaches with success in their positions…
I agree with that
The only problem is that it is really difficult to get position coaches from other teams now since you have to ask permission from the other team to talk to these guys and 99% of the time that team declines that permission. So really…you have your choice of coaches (many re-treads) without a job…which can be few and far between…or you go to the college ranks and look there.
The only guy from our old staff that I would have considered for DC would have been Waufle.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Dig the dead horse up and beat it some more
I guess they should have consulted you to hire a coach that they could KNOW would be successful eh? Post your formula.
Why not save the 10,000 word screeds for when something actually goes wrong? Trying to build your street cred for an i told you so later?
This staff has my support until they show me otherwise. Optimism is free. invest.
by lchristmas on Feb 7, 2012 7:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
hahahahahahaha
I hope you are right man! I really do
Dumb question or...
I might have missed it! For what position did we hire him for? Or do we even know that yet?
by Tha E on Feb 7, 2012 6:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
football scoop
Just confirmed that wr coach Ted Gilmore has been hired by the Raiders for the same position
"Don't worry about the horse being blind,just load the wagon." ~John Madden
by los r8drs on Feb 7, 2012 7:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
All I have to say is
Robert Woods
Marqise Lee
He’s taken great talent and made it elite
Love this hire
Me too it makes the Raiders better and the Trojans worse!
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by samiam2112 on Feb 7, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice find by Allen here
WR coach of the year last year in college.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
USC wr coach
"Don't worry about the horse being blind,just load the wagon." ~John Madden
by los r8drs on Feb 7, 2012 7:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Any D-coordinator
is an upgrade over “the name of the guy that I don’t want to say.”
Welcome to silver and black, Tarver!
Proud to be a brony.
Nice
Oakland Raiders: Jason La Canfora reports that Al Saunders will remain with Oakland as a “senior assistant”.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Feb 8, 2012 6:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I dont think so, he was the OC this season and didnt even call the plays
He’s just happy to be here and help the team where he started his career at….Al has a lot of love for the S&B and respect towards the Davis family
Should be happy to have a job! Nobody eles ran out to hire him
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Knapp can have his play calling duties stripped
a second time in Oakland and Saunders could take over.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
More Coaching Staff News
ESPN’s Adam Schefter is reporting that the Raiders have brought back QB coach John DeFilippo. DeFilippo and OC Greg Knapp obviously have a good relationship, as DeFilippo held the same role during Knapp’s first stint as offensive coordinator. None of us were terribly impressed with either Knapp or DeFilippo during their first stints, but remembering that they were working with JaMarcus Russell gives them at least a partial pass.
In even better news, NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora is reporting that the Raiders have retained Al Saunders as a senior assistant through the 2013 season. This news is fantastic, as Saunders can help smooth the transition from one offensive staff to another, and possibly keep some more of the vertical passing attack that Coach Allen wants but that Greg Knapp doesn’t utilize that often. Saunders is also the only coach on staff who’s had head coaching experience, so hopefully Coach Allen will use Saunders as a sounding board for those head coaching issues as well.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
Sounds like the trend continues of one negative hire and one positive hire
Bringing back a QB coach that hasn’t exactly seen any success doing so but again…that was with Russell. He’s not an inspiring hire but Knapp is an experienced QB coach so hopefully that offsets this hire.
Keeping Saunders is fantastic news. It’s like having 2 OC’s on the staff now. I think this move will really help with the transition on the offensive side.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Great News...Maybe They Keep The Same Terminology And The Transition Is Smooth As Hell???
That would be like having a 3 year in the same system and we should expect improvements rather than regression….LoL!!!…I’m happy about this one…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
lol
DHB with a useful warning for all breakfasteers:
@theDHB85
Just made French Toast but forgot to buy Syrup. FML! Oh yea Good Morning.
Reading between the lines
He hates carson palmer and we need to bring JC back at all costs
I knew it
by lchristmas on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Cmon now!
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DHB is the one cat that I don't think cares who the QB is he's a team guy!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Dude he did lead the team in receiving he's at least a legit receiver...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
ya hes come a long way
im excited to see how good he can and will be in a few years. hopefully he continues to get better every year
Hopefully the retention of Saunders alleviates the concerns of some people
It’ll give some sense of continuity in our offense and might help make Knapp a little more dynamic as a play caller (though probably not).
Why Yes It Does...I Can Now See A Clear Cut Plan Shaping Up ThankYou!!!
I was on record that the addition of Knapp as our “OC” made absolutely NO sense what so ever and that such a move without the retention of Al Saunders would result in an “Offensive Recession” NOT a “Multiple Formation Dynamically Aggressive Rushing n Passing Attack”!!!
And I stand behind that projection…LoL
The retention of Al Saunders as “Senior Assistant” changes all that perception as that dense fog finally begins to lift and give why to what looks like a beautiful sunrise on the distant horizon!!!
On top of that we now have entered calm glassy seas with no signs of turbulence nor even a squall!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Looks like there server crashed or they are in the middle of an upgrade...
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I didn't double but,,,,
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This may now uncloud the vision of what that Hybrid "OL" may look like:
Raiders | May use zone blocking in running game
Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:14:56 -0800
The Oakland Raiders may use a zone-blocking scheme in their running game because offensive line coach Frank Pollack used that scheme when he was with the Houston Texans.
LoL!!…Now it all begins to make perfect sense!!!
Now we can all agree that Knapp is known for his ability to run that Pig from a “ZBS”…As it turns out according to Kubiac Knapp was involved in the Game Planing of Houston’s “O”….Most likely it was that “ZBS” #2 Rushing Attack that was the manifested image of Knapp’s design…I doubt that’s too huge of a jump for most of you to take???
Also most will prolley agree that Al Sanders was involved in that top 10 Raider “O” and #13 Passing Attack that excelled despite all the injuries out of the “PBS”…Are we on the same page yet???
Now when you put it all together what should you get??…If you get it at all!!
A very dynamic “ZBS” Rushing “O” that exceeds what we had last season…In other words finishing in the top 5 if not at #1/#2…
A very dynamic “PBS” well protected Vertical Passing Attack even better than this past season while having a seasoned veteran healthy unit on the field….Top 10 if not top 5…
Now we have the vision that “Dennis The Menace” portrayed in such a picturesque account!!!
Now this is reminiscent of what Cable was trying to accomplish when he utilized the “ZBS” with a powerful Rushing Game while having his “PGC” to design the pass plays…It failed to work but I’m liking it now with these 2 coordinators working together…
Most certainly the plan is beginning to take shape and make sense of the course which has been set for this up coming season…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
NO GRACIAS!!!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 8, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
My only concern
is that his defense at stanford struggled terribly with the “spread option” that was run to perfection by Oregon. This would generally be a non-issue, but as it happens, a rival in the west happens to run the spread option offense and could look at what Oregon did against him as a blue-print for how to attack us next season.
im sure allen knows some of tebows weaknesses and how to neutralize him
and the more teams play against them the easier it will be to game plan for the Donkeys.
The Ducks are damn good for the record!
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take away 2 fumbles in the opener from a true freshman and it a whole different season...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
There are a ton of Duck fans here!
OZ are you out there did your move go ok?
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And at least one Boise St fan.(-;
Only time I’m not rootin for the Ducks
Can you say sucker punch ! (-;
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
BOOOOOOO it only counts when you play in a real conference!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Thats what they all say..lol
If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"
PS "Talk Shit Get Hit" - Blunt
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if thats your only concern, i wouldnt worry too much. Oregon just had more speed than Stanford period. SC showed what happens when you match up a solid D vs them. Oregon nearly took it only after the depth on D for SC started to show. The weak link in Stanford was the secondary as the SC WRs torched them all game.
If Tarver can coach Willis to be a monster, I have hope yet that Death Ro might pan out or at least start making some impact plays. If not, then nice to know you, be gone with all your insane gun waving lunacy and lets get us a real legit MLB.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Feb 10, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
I wan't to start seeing the Raiders clinching the season by dec instead of being in the hunt..
I want to our team dominate. Those late 4th qtr comebacks were killing me. I want to see some big numbers in the the board as well. I would be nice as we develop over the years to see a well rounded team dominating again. I want Bill bilchick to eat yellow snow next team we are up in Boston or succumb to the Black hole preferably.
How sweet would it be to be in a playoff game against the Pats in the snow once again, and rip Brady from a Superbowl with Gruden in the booth off Mic saying F@k ya get that payback Raiderzzz. Oh I dream.
I think Reggie has a better idea of the overall "Big Picture" than we do
And I think he has a definite vision of the kind of coaches and the kind of team he wants the Raiders to be and I Do NOT think it is Packers west! In office organization maybe but not coaching or player wise. I think Reggie knows what we need to bring our beloved Raiders into the 21st century and out of the 1960s! I am starting to think we are going to see a very different Raiders team this year. I think we are going to see a disciplined, confident, cohesive squad of WINNERS!
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
Now this is something that I hope Reggie has an eye on!!!....Officially The "VJ" Pimp!!!/_
What’s the move for Vincent Jackson?
Vincent Jackson has had an acrimonious relationship with the Chargers throughout most of his seven seasons in San Diego, one that could be coming to an end.
Negotiations were expected to begin this month between the Chargers and Jackson, who said at the Pro Bowl the two sides had yet to talk contract details. While Jackson maintains he would like to stay in San Diego, and GM A.J. Smith is reportedly now "comfortable" exploring a long-term deal, NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora isn’t betting on it.
"I don’t see any way he’s back there," La Canfora said Tuesday on "NFL Total Access."
"The Chargers won’t franchise him, they’ve come out and said that."
Addition by subtraction would be damn nice regarding “VJ”!!!
I guess I may as well start pimping it now…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
VJ?
So he can get DUI’s, disappear after a good game, and hold out? NAH!!! He’s an awesome talent, but very inconsistent. I don’t think he’s worth what he wants. If the Raiders can get him without overpaying for him, then OK. Sure would be awesome to watch him kill the chargers though…
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Just wonder what it's gonna cost and SF will be after him as well...
I just hope he wants to stick it to SD!
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ESPN's Bill Williamson speculates that we may target FA CB Tracy Porter (Saints)
http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4858/tracy-porter
Do it Reggie!
Larry Brown was an awful one of those!
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oh god please dont remind me. I had done a good job of forgetting that move. :(
by SilvrnBlck forever on Feb 10, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Having that shiny new "GM" does NOT guarantee that high profile top tier coaches will want to come to OakTown...
This:
Raiders | Todd Bowles turned down DC job
Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:10:24 -0800
Philadelphia Eagles defensive backs coach Todd Bowles said he turned down the opportunity to become the Oakland Raiders’ defensive coordinator and decided to take the job with the Eagles.
I think we got’s better in the end???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I agree, never got the infatuation with this DB coach
Fuckim
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think being passed over for the HC job probably helped his decision.
But it’s all good. I like what I hear about Tarver.
We only need people that want to be here period!
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If SD doesn't re-sign him, should the Raiders go after Gaither?
After turning him down once, I don’t think he’d wanna come back to Oak. SD would be stupid not to re-sign Gaither. McNeil seems to be done in SD, maybe his career.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions
they offered him a contract but he didnt pass the physical
so i dunno if you can count that as turning him down
and Saunders is back too!
I’m more ok with the Knapp hiring now.
ROUTT OUTT
I like Routt but not at his price tag. I hope he comes back at a discount. Even “overpaying” for what he’ll get on the open market would be ok.
Of course, other teams might realize that about half his penalties wouldn’t have been called if he wore a different blouse and evaluate him differently….
by lchristmas on Feb 9, 2012 2:51 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Just read on Raiders official website
ixmas beat me to the scoop though, Routt has been cut by the Raiders;
I expected some house cleaning, but did not expect routt to be the first.
McClain, Seymour, Kelley, Huff, Wimbley, etc… many of you are next
Wow really disappointed to see him go
I would have loved to see them restructure his contract because he was vastly overpaid. As far as who’s next I would guess wimbley and huff everyone else seems to be safe IMO
by 209raider on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i doubt hed be willing to restructure given the lucrative contract Al gave em.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Feb 10, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
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