Raider's GM begins the purge ...
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 9, 2012 10:41 PM PST
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PrintCutting Stanford Routt, the much maligned super athlete, chosen by Al Davis over Nnamdi Asmugha (the False Raider) and paid an unconscionable salary - $10 million - for pre-tackling WRs - who would otherwise have burned him, was a prudent decision by GM Reggie McKenzie.
I'd expected Reggie to first start shaping the roster by cutting the gross underachievers - the slothful players, e.g. McClain, or the undisciplined ones, e.g. Groves, and the timid ones, e.g. Murphy. But the realities of the cap and sound business practice are apparently of primary concern. Routt wasn't (by far) the worst starter - he simply was grossly overpaid.
Oakland's GM said he would hire our HC and let the man hire his staff; Reggie, for his part, will be deeply involved in player personnel and today he made the first corrective move and, I fully expect, this will be followed by several more ... and in short order.
What do think McKenzie's next move will be? Who goes next? Who will either refuse to restructure .... if even given that opportunity? Or, who is so undesirable that even a modest salary won't save him?
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The Huffster
will be first on the block.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
or next, that is...
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I agree...his contract is...as Reggie would say...out of whack
Huff is good but not great and he’s paid like he’s great. I think he’s a solid player but there are better players at better prices out on the market. Plus there was talk about Chekwa becoming a FS as well. I have a really hard time seeing the Huff to CB experiment working out.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 10, 2012 5:42 AM PST up reply actions
I wish Huffy could put it all together...
He’s just too inconsistent I really hope that he is not Routt’s replacement! I’m not sure he can play corner.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
At $8M for next year...I think he's as good as gone.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 10, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
If I was in charge I would cut Huff...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Unfortunately, Huff hasn't really seperated himself from even Gio's abilities
And Gio would come much cheaper and Allen knows him from his days with the Saints. I’m not saying Gio is better or should be our full time starter but considering the price tag…I think we can do better.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 10, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
remember when he was drafted out of texas?
that guy knew how to lay some serious wood and was a total ballhawk. everyone thought he would be the next ed reed. what happend?
He signed with the Raiders
ba-zing!!
by BillytheSid on Feb 10, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I respectfully disagree
I think Huff has separated himself from Gio. I just think he went the wrong way. Huff is not even close to being as good of a player at this point in their careers…
I would take Gio 100 time out of 100 over Huff.
when compared to Giordano
Huff is all puff as far as salaries go.
I don’t the the difference in their ability to pay Huff all that stuff.
Any body seen Freddie Flute?
The whistle is blowing on the Huff N Puff.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Cutting RORO already?
I think its possible, but I say he gets one more year. Maybe Allen and the newly hired LBs coach will get his head right. A lot of the guys that should/will be cut are cool people, but since this is a business, they have to go…
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 PM PST reply actions
I think Tarver and Allen can't wait to get their hands on Ro and Curry
but I think everyone’s contract will be up for negotiation, and that will give impetus to the staff for how they proceed too.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I actually think Curry won't be back. I hope i'm wrong though.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that curry is still under contract.
by SmashmouthFB on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
he is but he will cost around 5 mill.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see him stay.
No one is safe though.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
He showed enough to stay around
by lchristmas on Feb 10, 2012 12:05 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
needs a restructure
he may go for it too…. He has to know he is not worth #7 money. Why not take the cut from the team willing to stick their neck out and trade for him???
don't think anyone will be safe, especially for large amounts
but they’ll be given counter-offers. Curry might be wise to entertain any and all of them. I would want to stay with this team and be on board with where they’re going.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I think Curry will be back because of the LB play last season he played well. Our run defense improved greatly when he was signed. He cam in mid season he was playing off his athlethcism and instinct. Now with a new defense he get to start on the same playing field as everyone and learn the defense from day one with all others.
Curry is only 25 and in his 3rd season and he play well after coming mid-season. So I think we will keep because I think he was a steal for a 7th round pick in this years draft and potential late rounders next year. If he can florish in Allens system play up to the 1st round #4 overall pick the he was suppose to be when Seattle drafted him we then we are good!
There may be hope for him. But, like so many other Deep South athletes with great potential, once they're rich it's over
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
What cool players do you think we should/will cut?
by SmashmouthFB on Feb 9, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Guys like Groves, Murphy, and Huff are cool guys outside of football. Watch the Raiders unplugged series. The WRs have great chemistry together along with other guys. It’s a business though so what must be done shall be done.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well, for me cool is personified by Jack Tatum. Guys like Groves are buffoons, Huff is a clown, Murphy a puss.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 9, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well they are next in line to be cut.
Does murphy have trade value? If he is cut then the Raiders will have 3 Wrs on the depth chart. Ford, DHB, and Moore. Chaz and Housh are FAs that will leave. I wanna see Eddie Mcgee play.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
McKenzie is known primarily as a shrewd evaluator of talent (dubbed as such by Ron Wolf and John Madden)
So an early cutting away of the obvious decay does not concern me, in fact, I look forward to the coming bloodbath. The three or four games we lost in the final moments last season were caused by craven characters who somehow got in and impersonated Raiders. Our coaching staff is now composed of iron and their common trait is toughness and discipline. A wolf knows which of wolves are courageous and which are craven and Reggie will be discussing each player with his Wolf Staff and cull out the bottom lickers and replace them with hell-hounds.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 9, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
I look forward to the Roster shake up as well! As long as it’s not DMC THOUGH!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I usually agreee with nearly 100% of what you post but I can't agree about our coaching staff
with Wet Knapp at the helm… If only Al Saunders could call the plays!!
Every man for himself...
Cat Knapp is a head scratcher, but consider the other 5 or 6 new coaches/DCs/Trainers ...
… all marked with that Denis the Menace crazy killer-eye gleam.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
We should call Dennis Allen "Angel Eyes."
:P
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Murphy has no trade value
And 4th and 5th wide receivers are a very replaceable commodity. Id like to see Chaz back. He’ll be cheap and he can make 2 or 3 key plays a year.
by lchristmas on Feb 10, 2012 12:03 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
One of the 2 needs to go...
They are a duplication.
Murphy is soft and lack focus and is part of team Jscoby Campbell.
Chaz just hasn’t put it together very often.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
For such a big man Chaz is a twig.
Always wondered before how a man that size running in the 4.3s could be such a low pick..
Then I saw how often he was injured.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with this....
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Well you can hang out with them if you like.
As a Raider fan, I am concerned about how they are on the field on game day.
Nothing else.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Mr. Wimbley better restructure!!!
I say Huff is next as well.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 PM PST reply actions
Huff will most likely be next inless coaches see something they like
Sadly, they probably wont cut McCrap for another year. New coaches will hope they can fix him which hopefully the can.
McClain womt get cut, he's only due 970,000 this year. He's got to much potential for his cost this year.
The question about McClain is weather or not he starts. I won’t be surprised if he sits the bench a few games.
I don't know!!
Yeah McClain maybe only due $970,000 next season, but he has a serious legal issue to take care of in the offseason as well so depending on how that unfolds he may not be here anyway. Either due to some jail time or a league suspension.
Mcclain won't have to do anything if he is found innocent, which from many legal reports is a strong possibility
since they found no gun or gun residue on mcclain or the “victim” and none of mcclains dna was found on the victim and none of the victims blood was found on mcclain so it lacks any real evidence.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I would say that he is going to stay
LBs are a weak spot on the team, he is the best of the bunch and there are no good options for replacement… And KW is listed as LB, but lets get serious, he is an edge rusher, thats all. Thats why Cleveland let him go in a trade
Murphy and Jacoby bettter shape up or ship out
that O-line and defensive secondary will have less players by next week. all the old farts and young dumbs will be gone too, but that goes without saying.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Feb 9, 2012 11:40 PM PST reply actions
This isn't madden that you can click the erase cap penalties button.
This is real life, you can’t just cut everybody, that’s why we are in the mess we are right now in terms of Javon Walker, Kwame Harris, Deangelo Hall, Jamarcus Russell, Gibril Wilson, and now Stanford Routt, all dead money that counts against our cap that we CANT spend. And you want to add even more to it? Everybody is whining about the future, adding more dead money to our salary cap will put is in the same position next year.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Amen Brother!
Restructure or trade. Otherwise i’ts a football loss. I guess the organization saves $ on the profit line but it will hardly win any games for us. Can you say JaWalrus?
Jacoby????
that dude is a stud! No way you let him go! He does KRs better than most in the league, and he is a great WR, all on 4th round money!
exactly
where is all the hatin on Jacoby coming from, next they will go after Shaugnessy; both of these players played great for the Raiders up until there injuries this one season.
Neither has a history of repetitive injuries, so I expect both to be back 100% and being the playmakers we need them to be.
I wouldn't call him a great WR
Definitely an elite KR.
If I was running that team I’d honestly make Ford an emergency WR. The simple fact is I’d rather have him give me 16 games of Special Teams play then 5 weeks of WR play because he is borderlined glass in my eyes.
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting Idea
You have to believe the guy is deadly on kick returns. He could be used just enough as a WR to keep teams honest and still slip in the reverse now and then. When he’s injured our returns really suffer.
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
by GoldCityRaider on Feb 11, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Moore and DHB seem to do just fine on reverses
It’s not like Ford is the only guy with that kind of speed. We have guys that can run those plays with similar results.
However no one on the roster really brings the “Holy Shit” factor into KR’s like Ford.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ford needs to be developed and used like Welker...
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agreed
He is way faster, way more dangerous, and comes with a great price. For those of you not convinced he is a good WR, please review the KC game last year where he basically willed the Raiders to a W with his great receptions. And here is a refresher on his highlights… Watch this, then try to tell me he is not good
I think he's amazing
However like I said I’d rather get 16 games of KR duties out of him, then get 5 games out of him at WR. He gets hurt far too often when he was moved into the starting line up.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 12, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
I entered McClain
as tjhuesyourdaddy is already a free agent and Reggie will not resign him anyway
Mcclain won't get cut, 3 year rule buddy
All the NFL GM’s know it and live by it.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I hope they don't release one of our contributers
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 PM PST reply actions
contributor ??? Since when ????
The dudes been on the IR, since he signed !!! Can’t contribute if he’s not on the field, or for that, on the active roster !!!
He was talking about the website
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
If we're doing full scale rebuilding
Then they ought to just offload all the big contracts, get what picks they can and drop any pretense of competing this year.
We need to rebuild the defense, not the offense or special teams, we have 6 draft picks
assuming compensatory picks will be in our favor and not counting any trades we make. That’s 6 new defensive players, and we can add through free agencies with young guns who didnt fit their last system. There, defense fixed, why tear the whole thing down just to make a point?
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think you go into full rebuilding mode
with a team that was 2 quarters away from making the playoffs last year and plays in a weak division.
I don't think so either
But you have to factor in new coaches with new schemes on both sides of the ball, and we contemplate a possible major roster shake up. Would be amazed if it all comes together in time.
When you write
an article maybe you should check who is actually a FA and who gets paid what. Mcclain has less than a million hit on this years cap and TJ is a FA.
by RAIDER_FAN15 on Feb 10, 2012 12:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Tj isnt under contract like a few others said.
I say Huff is the next one to go/restructure contract or it could be Seymour, but i see Seymour restructuring his contract. Than maybe Wimbley. Geez our Defense was vastly over payed and underperformed.
Not necessarily moneyball
but our defense is way overvalued – Wimbley, Huff, T Kelly, Henderson, and to some extent Seymour (I’m on the fence here). IF, always pending cap/contract language, we get rid of Wimbley, Kelly, Huff, and Henderson’s contracts, it will give us a nice war chess to go after free agents. With no draft picks this year, we need to play moneyball with free agents to survive the year and to afford us flexibility over the next 3 seasons. We’re going to re-shape the D with players coming at the end of their careers over the next 2 seasons and invest D draft picks in 2013.
???
Raiders cut Wembley and Huff, that both signed new contracts last year, raiders will be paying them for years, because of their guaranteed money along with Routt. It really doesn’t make much sense, to cut a decent player until the guaranteed money is paid. Same go’s for Seymour that signed a 2 year deal this past year. Kelly’s guaranteed money is paid up, Henderson signed a new contract as well, but I don’t think he was guaranteed much. Then you have to replace these players as well. I think this past year raiders defensive problems we’re basically due to Bresnahan’s scheme, because DC Marshall the year before had this group playing fairly well. Some people for get that. Yes, their over paid, but don’t think it will be that easy replacing some of them on the cheap. The thing is to upgrade the team and stay within the cap.
by Captain Chaos on Feb 10, 2012 5:32 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with your basic point
Along with the scheme, though, we had a lack of depth at key positions that bit us when we had injuries. The guys on the DL need to rotate frequently, so we need solid backups there. We need to add quality at the CB position, and we need capable backups elsewhere—not easy with our lack of draft picks but not impossible either.
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Routt actually signed 2 contracts last year – 3 yrs and than they re-wrote to 5 yrs and still got cut. Guaranteed can mean different things (it’s about the small print). Point I’m trying to make is, IF there’s small print leeway, the players that I brought up are way overpaid versus contribution. Cutting them, even with financial impact BUT limited team cap impact, can actually afford us a chance to re-build the D with flexibility for the following years and picking up value free agents. Again, the D failed last year. That D had to stop either Buffalo OR Detroit and we’re in the playoffs. That D hasn’t done it; it’s rebuild time.
by raiders4liffe on Feb 11, 2012 3:02 AM PST up reply actions
True!
raider4life, I agree with you we are certainly going to have to build in free agency, but we do have two late round picks and will most likely endup with 2-3 mid round picks. If so we will walk away with 4-5 pick. We have alway been pretty good at finding late round talent. Also McKenzie has made living identifying late round talent. So we build and ad depth with the picks we have and may get, along with some verterns in free agency and undrafted rookie after the draft is done. There is always value there.
Non Of The Above Before "CJ"...He Never Earned A Damn Dime This Season!!!
I picked Huff because “CJ” wasn’t listed…“Housh-Man-Done” has no point being anywhere at this point so no matter the $$$ he’s out…
Some picks I don’t get???
Ro
Curry
Wimbley
“DMac”
All have too much value to this team…Seymour too if he’s healthy???
Henderson may be done health wise…Cooper Carlise as well too long in the tooth…
I would say don’t get too “Cap Hack Happy” if you intend to bring new top talent on board down the road….They won’t want to play for the “Cheap Bastards”!!!…But there does need to be a happy medium between that and the “Big Spender”!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Raiders won't release to many high paid players.
Maybe Routt well be the only one this year. To much of a cap hit to start wiping out high payed players all at once.. Maybe one a year until their gone. Routt will be collecting money from the Raiders for the 4 years. Seymour has one more year on his two year contract, wouldn’t make sense to release him now and pay him his guaranteed money and lose the player. Move like this are not uncommon in the NFL, but teams don’t do it in bunches.
I think we can resign routte…It’s a money thing…he’s not going to get a big contract from any team…so I think we just give him what he’s worth and resign…but I will say anybody not on board will be cut…and as much as I like players…I want “team” players more…so money ball it is…
Tony, exactly! We released him, let him hit the market and see his value and resign him what what we think he is worth. So there is an outsidfe shot that we can resign him. But I will say unless we are going to play a lot of press man we may as well let him stay gone, because he proved this year that he struggle in zone coverge.
I wouldn't necessarily say he struggled in zone but rather struggled in Bresnehans complex defense
I believe its called Letthemscorequick, for some reason our entire defense seemed to follow his example.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure how up to date this info is
Player Position Contract Terms
David Ausberry Tight End 7/27/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.086 million contract. The deal included a $45,900 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Joseph Barksdale Tackle 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.579 million contract. The deal included a $539,800 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Rhett Bomar Quarterback 1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Kevin Boss Tight End 8/5/2011: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal contains $8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. 2012: $2 million, 2013: $3.5 million, 2014: $4.5 million, 2015: Free Agent
Jerome Boyd Defensive Back 2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Tyvon Branch Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent
Mason Brodine Defensive Lineman 2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Desmond Bryant Defensive Lineman 2012: Restricted Free Agent
Michael Bush Running Back 2012: Free Agent
Jason Campbell Quarterback 2012: Free Agent
Bruce Campbell Tackle 7/9/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.312 million contract. The deal included a $522,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Cooper Carlisle Guard 3/3/2009: Signed a five-year contract. 2012-2013: $3 million, 2014: Free Agent
Chimdi Chekwa Defensive Back 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.490 million contract. The deal included a $450,000 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Jon Condo Linebacker 7/29/2011: Signed a three-year, $3.225 million contract. 2012: $1.175 million, 2013: $1.2 million, 2014: Free Agent
Jamie Cumbie Defensive Lineman 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Aaron Curry Linebacker 2012: $5,757,500, 2013: Free Agent
Hall Davis Defensive Lineman 1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Hiram Eugene Defensive Back 3/3/2011: Signed a four-year, $10.25 million contract. 2012: $2.25 million, 2013: $2.75 million, 2014: $3.25 million, 2015: Free Agent
Jacoby Ford Wide Receiver 7/19/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.225 million contract. The deal included a $510,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Travis Goethel Linebacker 7/15/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.893 million contract. The deal included a $103,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Richard Gordon Tight End 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.145 million contract. The deal included a $105,000 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Quentin Groves Linebacker 2012: Free Agent
John Henderson Defensive Lineman 2/24/2011: Signed a two-year, $8 million contract. The deal contains $5.5 million guaranteed, including a $1.5 million signing bonus, all of Henderson’s first-year salary, and $1.5 million of his second-year salary. 2011: $2.5 million, 2012: $4 million, 2013: Free Agent
Stephon Heyer Tackle 2012: Free Agent
Darrius Heyward-Bey Wide Receiver 7/30/2009: Signed a five-year, $38.250 million contract. The deal includes $23.5 million guaranteed. Another $15.75 million is available through incentives. 2011: $1 million, 2012: $1.605 million, 2013: $2.21 million, 2014: Free Agent
Lamarr Houston Defensive Lineman 7/26/2010: Signed a four-year, $4.33 million contract. The deal contains $2.505 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Michael Huff Defensive Back 7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $32 million contract. The deal included $16 million in the first year. 2012: $4 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due 3/16), 2013-2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
Zach Hurd Tackle 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Carl Ihenacho Linebacker 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Travis Ivey Defensive Lineman 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Rashawn Jackson Running Back 1/10/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Sebastian Janikowski Place Kicker 2/16/2010: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal includes $9 million guaranteed. 2011: $2.6 million, 2012: $1.7 million, 2013: $3.8 million, 2014: Free Agent
Chris Johnson Defensive Back 2012: $3.5 million, 2013: Free Agent
Taiwan Jones Running Back 7/27/2011: Signed a four-year contract. The deal included a $405,000 signing bonus.
Derrick Jones Wide Receiver 7/26/2011: Signed an undisclosed contract.
Tommy Kelly Defensive Lineman 2/28/2008: Signed seven-year, $50.5 million contract. The deal contains $18.125 million guaranteed, including a $13 million signing bonus and a $4.5 million in-season “signing” bonus in the second year. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2011: $5.5 million, 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent
Terrail Lambert Defensive Back 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Shane Lechler Punter 2/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal includes $9 million guaranteed. Another $3 million is available through incentives. 2011: $3.2 million, 2012: $3.8 million, 2013: Free Agent
Bryan McCann Defensive Back 2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Rolando McClain Linebacker 7/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $970,000, 2013: $1.535 million, 2014: $2.1 million, 2015: Free Agent
Darren McFadden Running Back 6/5/2008: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $6.4 million “log” bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $5 million. 2012: $5.65 million, 2013: $5,856,250, 2014: Free Agent
Eddie McGee Wide Receiver 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Lonyae Miller Running Back 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Michael Mitchell Defensive Back 7/27/2009: Signed four-year, $3.778 million contract. The deal contains $2.028 million guaranteed, including a $1.6 million signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Denarius Moore Wide Receiver 7/27/2011: Signed a four-year contract.
Jarvis Moss Defensive Lineman 2012: Free Agent
Louis Murphy Wide Receiver 7/28/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.198 million contract. The deal included a $448,000 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Brandon Myers Tight End 7/16/2009: Signed a four-year, $1.840 million contract. The deal included a $90,000 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Carson Palmer Quarterback 10/18/2011: Signed a four-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $7.5 million guaranteed, including all of Palmer’s first-year salary and $5 million of Palmer’s second-year salary. 2011: $2.5 million, 2012: $12.5 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $15 million, 2015: Free Agent
Alex Parsons Guard 1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Terrelle Pryor Quarterback 8/25/2011: Signed a four-year contract. The deal included a $586,000 signing bonus. 2011-2014: Under Contract, 2015: Free Agent
Raiders QB Quarterback
Marcel Reece Running Back 2012: Restricted Free Agent
Stanford Routt Defensive Back 2012: Free Agent
Samson Satele Center 2012: Free Agent
Chaz Schilens Wide Receiver 2012: Free Agent
Trevor Scott Defensive Lineman 2012: Free Agent
Richard Seymour Defensive Lineman 2/16/2011: Signed a two-year, $30 million contract. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed — all in the form of Seymour’s first-year base salary. 2012: $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus), 2013: Free Agent
Matt Shaughnessy Defensive Lineman 7/25/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.602 million contract. The deal included an $852,250 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Curtis Taylor Defensive Back 1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Manase Tonga Running Back
Demarcus Van Dyke Defensive Back 7/27/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.63 million contract. The deal included a $591,376 signing bonus. 2011-2014: Under Contract, 2015: Free Agent
Jared Veldheer Center 7/9/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.685 million contract. The deal included an $895,000 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Kamerion Wimbley Linebacker 8/1/2011: Signed a five-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $29 million guaranteed.
Stefen Wisniewski Center 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $4.135 million contract. The deal included a $1.507 million signing bonus.
by PNW Raider on Feb 10, 2012 7:18 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Too Long
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks PNW. I rec'd it for being a good rescource ...not for it's content; the Huff contract.(???) Truly someone excessively loved DBs
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Al Davis
And they did not play like the billion dollar backfield either…
I consider this one of the weakest parts of he team. Lot’s of guys but you never know where they fit either at SS, FS, CB or what.
by Mallard Davis on Feb 11, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Awesome stuff!
Thanks for posting that!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 10, 2012 8:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Logic
I don’t see the logic in 12% voting for Ro. You guys just don’t use your heads sometimes. They are going to be on Ro as tight as his underwear this year.
TJ
Carslile
Huff
Murphy
Will all be scrutinized.
I don't see the logic in voting for TJ either
Talking about cutting our 6th string WR? Seriously? The dude costs us like $500k next year or something equally minimal. How can you compare that to Michael Huff who is sucking up something like 16x his salary for 12 games of medicore safety/cornerback play.
It’s your own fault if you thought TJ came in last year as anything but the 6th string WR to play minimal snaps per game. If Ford/Moore/Murphy/Chaz could stay on the field for more than a series, he wouldn’t have sniffed the turf.
I hate injuries.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Aquiring him also cost us Hagan...
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Hue's Bengals fixation.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Hagan only played when other players were hurt. TJ = Hagan more or less. It’s a non issue. When our team is so good that we’re fighting about the 53rd guy on the roster, then we can have these arguments.
There are bigger, more expensive fish to fry.
Ineffective
Hagan had more catches than he did I believe.
All I’m saying is why cut your starting MLB after a couple years when a new coach is going to bring some discipline to the team. The Raiders have no high draft choices to draft a new MLB and are trying to clear cap room now.
by Mallard Davis on Feb 10, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Hagan had a few weeks
With DHB/Ford/Murph all out at the same time. He was most likely on the field more. Either way, it’s a non issue.
Yes exactly I don't understand the relevance of havng TJ on the poll. He's not signed through next year as the others are.
You might as well put Kyle Boller up there too, for shits and giggles.
As much as I hate seeing talented players leave
I’m very happy to see McKenzie trying to correct some of our mistakes of the past. I don’t blame Al for paying “his guys” but they really hurt the team’s flexibility and this is going to make for a very exciting offseason for this team.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Not a bad move... YET
I’ll wait and see what is the result of this, whether it is bringing in a new player, or just getting a new contract done instead. There does seem to be a lot of young, raw talent on the roster, but it would be a real gamble to rely on any of those guys at this point, none of them having proven anything yet…
The berserker is without honor; a true warrior knows and practices restraint
It's that or pay the vets like mad.
Bite the bullet, I guess. Reggie obviously isn’t going for short-term success. Suck it up, let the man work, and hopefully down the road we have a dynasty and some shiny Lombardis and can make fun of the rest of the division and poke fun at the Chargers’ empty case. Of course we already do that, but it’d hold more weight if we could actually stop their offense.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
if we move to a 3-4
between Kelly, Henderson and Seymuor we are spending 16.5 million in 2012, my guess is that two of them will go. Even if we stay 4-3 at least one goes and probably two.
On a different note, this is my first post since our loss to San Diego, I am really on the fence with all this change, While I know we need change, I am not at all confident that McKenzie is the right guy, and I base this feeling on nothing more than his release of Hue, and his initial press conference, where he appeared babbled like a punch drunk fighter…I love the Raiders and have been Raider Nation Loyal, I am just not sure Mark Davis can be trusted, all of these moves, so rapidly, make me very very nervous.
member of the Raider Nation since 1968......(Heidi Game!)
25 million in 2012
Kelly 6 million
Henderson 4 million
Seymuor 7.5 million + 7.5 million rostor Bonus
Seymuor is the biggest hit on the cap this year with 15 million. He becomes a free agent after this year. I really could see Seymour being traded for a draft pick at a cap savings of 15 million, the 15 million he got last year covered the guaranteed money of his 30 million contract so we would be free and clear of his contract. No I don’t want to see Seymour go, but thats alot of money that could be put to good use on several FAs
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
by GoldCityRaider on Feb 10, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling one of the next to go is somebody not on the list.
DHB may very likely go mainly because while he is vastly improved he is getting paid like the top 20 WRs in the game and he still is somewhat inconsistent. I also think Reggie and the coaching staff are happy with Moore and Ford who are much cheaper options. Also I would think this would make way for a cheaper veteran presence as his replacement and that is not T.J. Houshmanzadeh either. I’m thinking like Donald Driver who will not be paid nearly what DHB would be due.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
"Talent without discipline is like an octopus on roller skates. There's plenty of movement, but you never know if it's going to be forward, backwards, or sideways."
— H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
You're high, and how do you know theyre most hoppy with ford and moore, did they talk to you personally? or are you just happy with ford and moore
DHB will be back
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Uhh you're high if you think there is no chance this is going to happen.
As for the Driver argument I am just stating someone who will not command a very high salary. Reggie Wayne, Vincent or Desean Jackson all would command around $7 million a year and that would make the possiblity of cutting DHB pointless. Think before you post.
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"Talent without discipline is like an octopus on roller skates. There's plenty of movement, but you never know if it's going to be forward, backwards, or sideways."
— H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
He goes nowhere
Most of his front loaded contract has already been paid he gets paid. He makes $1.6 million plus incentives next year. Max is $2.1.
I doubt he goes. He's got great potential and is realizing it.
It’s not like Routt, who was grossly overpaid.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Haha you do realize that Vincent Jackson and Desean Jackson said they want to be paid with
the top tier WR’s in the league lol both want over 10 mill easily. I suggest you think before posting.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Donald Driver???? Really….I thought you would at least say Reggie Wayne or Jackson something. In addition to DHB, we need a big impact true #1 WR. Brandon Lloyd, Colston, Jackson. Not Donlad Driver….James Jones and Cobb has made him expendable for next season.
really?
we dont have the kind of money to get an impact #1 wideout…keep developing denarius moore, DHB as #2 and a healthy ford and DMC in the passing game are just fine – we go 10 and 6 if the defense is improved, which is the first priority and where our limited budget should go to
We've also got Reese and our TEs
who were all pretty under-utilized last season, but could easily have big impacts in the passing game.
+1
Reese was not used near enough last year as a reciever, he’s big fast and can catch. Some how he needs to be used more just to drive defenses crazy.
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
by GoldCityRaider on Feb 11, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL at Donald Driver haha
He is maybe a 3rd or 4th option on any team now. And I understand people love colstons size but lets get 2 things clear, 1st he is not an outside guy, he is a slot receiver, watch NO’s offense. 2nd there is no way in hell he leaves NO anyway.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
this was a very logical move of mckenzie
Cutting Route was only step one, i think their are a few more people getting the boot and sorry to say Huff ant one of them, who you ask then
Henderson gets cut
Johnson gets cut
sorry to say Curry gets cut
Seymour cut or restructure
Huff Restructure
Wimbley restructure
Mcfadden Restucture
Palmer restructure…
Then we
Resign Bush
resign Branch
Bring in Grimms
bring spencer
bring in griffin…
Thats what i hope anyways
by Raider_Renagade on Feb 10, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions
oh yeah the guy above me is right DHB is on the block
by Raider_Renagade on Feb 10, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
After a year showing amazing promise, and almost scary to think what he can do when coached properly
Lets just trade him…Some of you guys make my head hurt, this is not madden where you can draft whoever is rated highest and him become a star. DHB has developed into an everimproving wr who had a good year and you want him gone? Think what he can do when he is taught to catch with his hands, WOW! He had 976 yards this year catching with his body. You don’t cut players who work like he does, coaches beg for players with his attitude and skillset.
Also DMC makes 5 mill this year, please explain where that is a huge cap hit? Now if we are paying bush 5 million this year, then that’s an idiotic cap hit.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 10, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I could not have said it better! This kid has worked hard this year. He was an missed game or two from having a thousand yard season. Like you said when he learn to catch with his hands, sky is the limit for this kid. Folks are killing me with this trade McFadden talk and keep Bush…lol. I have to laugh because their biggest arguement is that Bush proved he can carry the load..but did he. What I was a RB get some yard, Marshawn Lych had 1000 yards. If have a decent OL any decent back can get 1000. The truth is that on numerous occassion this past season good runs that garnered good yard for Bush may have been TDs for DMC. So folk need to get that out their heads. BUsh is good as complimentary back but there are a few backs in free agency who can give us what Bush can in that comlimentary role. Just my opinion!!!
Dude, I saw a post on Bleacher Report that said (No joke)
Bush was an elite RB, and the reason he had trouble later in the season was that he didn’t have an awesome QB like Jason Campbell to open it up for him.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
the Bleacher Report is a joke
they have worse info than anybody and most of their stuff is opinion same as us.
They also use inflated catch lines to get you to read their drivel…I’m consistently disappointed with them.
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by rambis64 on Feb 11, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
... reads like The Onion
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
The Onion is at least funny!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Ok i agree DHB has improved greatly but i think he is getting paid to much
I like the dude, he is great, runs like the wind, would like to see him stay but wouldnt mind bringing in a great WR like Manningham, or Colston in his place. We really lack that number 1 WR, one that we can count on. Moore is here to stay, and i think Jacoby would make a great slot WR. DHB is great but i think he is more of a number 2 WR then our #1. Secondly, im not on the keep bush, trade Mcfadden, i say we give him a new contract, same money just a few more years. Mcfadden and Bush are a tandem, call em peanut butter jelly, shit call it what you want. I say keep both, even if it means cutting a few people. And dont get me started on branch, he IS the Deffense!
by Raider_Renagade on Feb 10, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
He was effectively our #1 guy, dude.
He still has a ways to go, but he has that potential and is getting there.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
He has already received most of that cash
His contract was ridiculously front loaded. He maxes out at $2.1 million next year which is a bargain. Manningham is not a #1 wideout. Being from NY I’ve watched him run too many wrong routes and drop too many balls.
Haha I laughed when he called Manningham great
Manningham is the prototypical #2 receiver, not the biggest or the fastest but serviceable hands. DHB is the biggest, the fastest, and has improving hands with the greatest work ethic in the NFL…and he’s not a #1?
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
i sincerely doubt...
that DHB has the greatest work ethic in the entire NFL…and no his hands arent improving, hes just better at catching the ball in his body, he still doesnt catch it with his hands
He does both better now... Watch more games
He absolutely is one of the hardest works in the NFL by all reports from insiders…
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" - " is the benefactor of Palmer's passes which are eay to catch, being as they are, artfully delivered with the correct velocity and precision
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason he didn't have a 1000 yards is a Hue
Palmer does make is easier for all receivers that’s one of the major differences between Palmer and JC.
The 2 game stretch were he was in on 5 plays or so and they threw to him once and Palmer’s second game were he was throwing to Moore… DHB went out there and did his job regardless of who the QB was. I would agree that Palmer made his job easier once they got on the same page.
Also when you look at how many catches DHB had that were called back because of penalty he may have had 1200 yards. DHB may never be a 1 but he has more value than he is being credited for… WAR DHB!!!!
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I think DHB can be a #1.
but as of now, he is a #2. Moore can be our #1, but he needs to stay healthy.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
We don't need WRs at all
If there’s a position on this team that is solid it’s that one. I actually feel we have the luxury of dealing one or two of them. I would keep Whosyourmama and I know that’s not popular but the facts are is he’s good in the slot and can get the catch when we need it.
And don’t even worry about DHB, next year he’s going to a Pro Bowl. Yeah I said it.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
its very possible that seymour will take a cut in pay,also dt kelly should have his contract restructed
also curry will be restructed and i think he will be offered a new contract.but it will be less than he makes. my other point is look at the people we traded for.have they paid off?seymour 1st round, curry given away more picks, then palmer. we say restucture his contract but also what we gave up for him. i am sure reggies mind is weighing those out. as the world turns in raiderland
by sports with steve on Feb 10, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Why cut Curry??? Curry played well last season considering he came in mid season and didn’t know the defense. He play offf pure instinct…imgaine when learns a defense from day one. Plus he is only 25 yoa and in his 3rd season. If he live up to half of his 1st round # 4 pick it was worth what we gave up. Plus Seattle was on the hook for quite a bit of the money he is owed. I can see some other other situation happening. The only thing I would say is that I’m on the fence on Bush because he is going to want low level #1 money and I don’t think we should give him that. There are other RBs in free agency that can fill his role (Tolbert, Hillis, Benson, Grant).
Who did know the defense?
let me know when you can prove something.
I might say Giordano, but he had his issues as well.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Bet 80 Men
Like terps says, let’s not sweat the small stuff.
I’m not Clair Voyant or even her sister Anna Voyant, but I do know that they will have the best 80 men in camp this year rather than Al’s guys and everybody else. I expect a larger turnover in roster this year too.
Not sure why this article needed to start with a dig at Nnamdi
Who was a great player on the field for 7 seasons, as well as being great off the field for the community. Bugs me how some fans are so quick to turn on a guy once he’s off the team. Not because he wanted to be off the team, but because Davis decided to sign Routt and Huff to huge deals instead of pursuing Nnamdi. But whatever.
I’m not sure who might get cut next, because I don’t quite understand how the whole Cap penalty thing works. Thus I don’t know who would be most beneficial to cut versus trying to restructure, etc. But there are quite a few guys that need to restructure because they’re getting paid too much.
Agree, Nnamdi is/was a class act
Maybe he had a bad year last year but he’s still better than Routt.
@WorldBLee
Never bonded with the other players, basically a fish.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, why then did Nnamdi say to the world, "I always wanted to be an Eagle" right after he signed?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Because he just signed with the Eagles.
It’s pretty standard fare for a player or coach to talk about how much they like the team when they first show up there.
I also read an article where he talked about how he would have liked to have remained a Raider but the offer never came. Neither statement changes that he was one of the few good players on the team during 7 years of selfish players who only wanted to get paid. Nor does it change all the good work he did for the community.
If he didn’t bond with the other players (which I have zero idea if that’s true or not) it’s probably because he was too good a guy to bond with the bunch of self-important losers we had on our team for so many years.
by Chris2814 on Feb 10, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
Every one loves him when he is a Rader, but a team throws shitloads of money at him and now he is a traitor? The man played through seven years of shit on this team, he deserves more respect than that.
by Twan54321 on Feb 10, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and the eagles paid him,
“you’re my new best friend”…
by raiders4liffe on Feb 11, 2012 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
look at the last
part of your question. Right after he signed. What do you expect him to say? Well I never wanted to be an Eagle, but they were the ones that made me an offer. Or well the Eagles suck and all they do is cry about their fans booing them while shoving cheesesteaks up their butts and molesting the Rocky statue. Every player that signs with a new team claims that they always wanted to play with that team.
Then you're saying that Asomugh is a Liar but not a False Raider?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
No.
He’s saying that Nnamdi is a professional athlete and changing teams is part of the business. And no high profile player is going to say anything but positive things about the new team he is joining.
He also might have been an Eagles fan growing up for all I know. That’s not a crime. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play hard and well for the Raiders for 7 years.
I...
agree with chris2814, why the did on Nnamdi. How is a fake Raiders? He played well for the Raiders for 7 years and wanted to come back, but according to him, he wasn’t offered a contract by the Raiders. Are Zach Miller and Robert Gallery fake Raiders also?
Getting rid of the following players, DHB, McClain and Curry, would be a huge mistake. DHB is improving big time. He is a hard worker and will be a great wide receiver in this league. In fact I’ll say this, in a year or two he’ll be a better wide receiver than Moore and Ford. When Curry went to Seattle he was a huge bust, I mean up there with Ryan Leaf. Ok maybe not that big, but still pretty big. But Curry came to the Raiders and played pretty dang good. Then you have McClain. His biggest issue seems to be maturity more than anything else. Also many of his problems on the field had to do with the dang scheme. I mean come on he was covering #1 receivers 20 yards down the field.
Now as far as cutting Routt, I say great. He was extremely overpaid and really wasn’t that good. He did lead all NFL cornerbacks with 18 penalties and i believe 8 of those were pass interference. Let me put it this way on how much Routt was overpaid, Lito Sheppard was better than Routt. Routt isn’t a #1 corner, at best he’s a #2 who benefits from having a #1 corner, like when Nnamdi was a Raider. He’s basically like the cornerback version of Housh. Housh was a very good #2 receiver when he was a Bengal due to the fact that he had Chad Johnson/Ochocinco on the other side.
by bslack32 on Feb 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand you Sons
McClain has a down year for a second year player you want to cut him. Palmer is a vet who had bad year and you don’t even say he needs a paycut.
Palmer does need a paycut
Still can’t believe the Bengals gave him THAT big of a contract. But if McClain gets cut it’ll be for that smiling-as-getting-arrested photo more than performance.
McClain cost us Detroit and probably other close games. Renaldo's a self-satisfied slacker who is starting to remind me of another DS 1st rounder who got paid and quit
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
mcclain didnt cost us the game boyd and the dc did who leaves mcclain 1 on 1 with megatron
by Rell Rell Lynch on Feb 10, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and the mano-a-mano duel with the fat rockstar? Hah! 4th down, QB draw pitting Stafford against McLame who whiffs...
Detroit 1st down on the 3 with a few second left. This has everything to do with a MLB who can’t tackle or be where the action. I want his ass gone. At least Capt. Kirk brought his mark down …albeit after a 5 yard gain.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
For $910,000 in 2012
I’ll like to see what he can do once he has Allen’s foot up his ass.
by ny40raider on Feb 10, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hate to toot my own horn...
But when the Raiders drafted Michael Bush in the 4th round I told all my friends that the Raiders got the steal in the draft that year. I was right.
After DHB’s second year, I told everyone that would listen that he was going to keep improving and become a big time receiver. So far I’m being proven right.
I said on this forum and elsewhere that Jason Campbell is a much better QB than he is given credit for. I was right again.
I said that Bruce is ok for a back up but terrible as a starter. Again I was right.
I said that both Bush and Obama would be crappy presidents. Again I was right
So I’ll say this again. Don’t get rid of McClain. Once he matures, he will be a very good linebacker. And if Tarver is the coach I think he is, McClain will mature because Tarver will have his foot constantly up McClain’s ass.
Now for those who want to ask if I was ever wrong. Yes I was once. I said that Ryan Leaf would be a good NFL quarterback. Didn’t take into account that he was going to be a little whiny ass bitch.
thank god
we have someone like you who knows everyone!
FYI this isnt the place or time but Obama has been an OK president…certainly nothing like how bad Bush was
I agreed with everything except Obama
look at how crappy and hated we were when bush was here. But the economy and everything is finally taking baby steps in the right direction and we are no longer the worlds biggest villain, id say thats a good job.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm glad you didn't toot your own horn or anything
Campbell is just the QB we always knew he was and now he can be that on another team.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
by rambis64 on Feb 11, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Kudos to you bro!
Now if you could please tell me who’s going to next year’s Super Bowl we could both win big money, i’ll split the earnings lol
Ummmm dude
Campbell sucks. The only reason he had the Nation thinking he was good was because he had the luxury of following one of the worst QBs in the history of the game. I was in that boat as well, I did enjoy his time here. But now that we have a real QB I see him for what he is. A smart QB who will protect the ball, but never lift him or his team into an elite status.
Campbell is great if you’re gameplan is to run the ball 60 times a game. But a good QB can take an offense on his shoulders if he has to. Campbell could only dream of doing that.
And as for you talking about sucky Presidents I just kind of laugh. As if there’s been a good one in the last 30 years. To steal a line from Joe Rogan “Rooting for politicians is sort of like rooting for pro wrestling. You can like a guy all you want but the outcome is pre-determined”
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
This man is sane.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
the dude abides, man. the dude abides...
“I don’t know about you, but I take comfort in that…”
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Truly he upheld Palmer...and bestowed comfort
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2012 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
lol. my favorite character's line's from The Big Lebowski
Sam Elliot as, “the stranger…”
but you are correct: Jason has been a staunch advocate of CP and makes a compelling argument why. I think most who question didn’t watch and instead listen to the yahoos that read the stat columns and the int. numbers.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I'm gonna back that guy
Until the spark I see is gone. And as long as they don’t break this offense up I see that spark turning into a full fledged fire in the next couple of years.
When he’s back there I see the vertical passing game that Al Davis and alot of the Nation love to see. I admit his numbers don’t seem so awesome, but to be honest I’ve never really been locked into numbers. I think there’s more to it then that. I watched from the stands and I saw passes this season that I’ve literally NEVER seen completed by a Raiders QB (including Gannon).
Palmer’s success has a few factors that need to play in for it to really come alive. I will admit he’s unable to carry this team ala prime Peyton Manning, but the dude can shoulder the weight when we need him to. You put a running game behind him that this team is capable of producing and that’s when you will see Palmer show everyone what I’ve been screaming into the wind for months now.
And for the lovely side discussion about one of the greatest movies. I couldn’t pick a favorite quote out of there, because it’d be doing the rest of the movie a disservice. I’ve watched it so many times it actually borders on having seen it “Too many” times
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
This offense is on the cusp of what could be great. But identifying the core players and making it happen have always been the downfall. It is a new era so hopefully Reggie will keep the core. When you look at all the great offenses they didn’t just happen generally they are built over time. We have a lot of young talent time to groom it.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
You could simply watch the first game just three days off the couch against KC
and you’d know he made throws we haven’t seen since Stabler/Lamonica/Blanda, albeit w/ some errant ones sprinkled in there, but if you really watch, I’d only put one of them on him in that game. Murphy broke off a route hearing footsteps on one that changed my mind about him altogether, but that’s another matter. CP reignites the vertical Al D. game like few out there could have for us.
And yeah, bordering on too many times too, but it just never gets old. But I’m constantly reminded of Sam Elliot because his beefslanging, Dodge truck peddling, and how he makes that rocky mountain spring water in my Coors the best fucking thing on earth, so he just kinda became my natural choice for a fav. character… I don’t think I have fav. lines either.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Sam Elliot lives in Oregon!!! Go Ducks!!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
You have to go back further than 30 years to find a good presiedent...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Somebody woke up an hour early just to be with themselves I see....
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I'm willing to compromise, how bout Roadkill McClain?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Roadkill actually sounds bad ass....
I was thinking Rosebud?
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's better; or maybe Rosepetal or Rosewater McClain
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
TJ should not be on that list
he only had a one year contract..
by jhong721 on Feb 10, 2012 2:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
needs to be re-structed!!! thats insane money
Tommy Kelly Defensive Lineman 2/28/2008: Signed seven-year, $50.5 million contract. The deal contains $18.125 million guaranteed, including a $13 million signing bonus and a $4.5 million in-season "signing" bonus in the second year. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2011: $5.5 million, 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent
Since Wimbley wasn't on the list
I had to vote Huff, personally Reymundo would be next on my list to restructure or hit the road, but McKenzie and Allen seemed to like him as a player…so it’s Huff then Seymour, but I do believe Wimbley will be the next to be approached to “do the right thing by the team or get the fuck out”
Ive had it with these players who are paid huge contracts and do nothing, cut em all I say … even if we have to start from scratch at least we’ll have players that play for the love of the game and understand that when the team wins they win.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
well all I know is
Reggie is sending the message that making lots of money and underachieving is no longer how it goes in Oakland…..so be warned …… if your not playing he aint paying.
by Canadian Raider on Feb 10, 2012 4:49 PM PST reply actions
Later, Routt!.
Have never been a fan, of his, but was willing to see if he’d step up. I wouldn’t call how he played as stepping up. Bye Bye, Stanford.
I voted for Murphy, as the next to go. One of my first posts here, I was critical of Murphy, suggesting the Raiders hand him his walking papers, and practically got ran off the site. Glad to see I’m not the only one who believes he hasn’t, nor will he, reach his “potential”.
"Well, when you're playing good football, it's good football and if you don't have good football, then you're not really playing good football."-John Madden
by black patch and silver swords on Feb 10, 2012 7:23 PM PST reply actions
Shop him for a 5th.
He’s not a bad WR. Just not as good as DHB/Moore/Ford. We have Ausberry in the wings and Chaz. We don’t need 6 WRS.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 10, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but his size and speed
Makes him viable outside as well. Ausberry is one of those tweener guys.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't he a converted TE
I thought he was a WR as USC?
That's the point I was making
I think
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just responding to the post above yours
We’re on the same page, I believe.
lol. yes. you are all correct. I believe that's completely contractual...
he get’s compensated far less as a TE. The Finleys and Gronkowskis of the league are out to change this, but as of now, TEs will be in danger of ever making fractions of the $ their WR counterparts do, but it all comes in the touches there… as TEs, no such existing argument… yet
This will be an interesting aspect to watch going forward, both for our team and David, and how the league will attempt to get exactly such guys out there in the slot to create mismatches since their CBs are busy with the big, strong, and fast number one and two wideouts any team that is wise will have on their rosters.
I was very surprised we didn’t see more of this used with Aus out there, but I believe a lot of that came out of necessity and how Hue attempted to change up the offense in the absence of DMac. We needed the best blocking TEs on the field, and often two of them and a FB.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I never thought of it that way
Kind of a dick move for a football team. Yeah we know you are a WR, but we’re signing you as a TE. No difference to you as a player because you should be feeling lucky to be picked up.
While we save a ton of money because the plateaus are on different levels.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 13, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
He was listed as a TE in the draft.
He came in as a TE, with some WR experience. The guy is a tweener, much like Aaron Hernandez.
I don’t think he played much because Hue was in love with 3 WR formations, and designed plays that utilized the TEs blocking skills rather than their receiving ones. I would like to see more Ausberry, but he must prove that he can be starter quality, if not then a #2 guy rotating with Boss, in camp. Hope he does very well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
As creative as Hue could be he was also stubborn and reluctant to spread the ball around.
Hue O play calling was so predictable in the second half. Personally I feel Palmer will do better under someone else. Check Down Campbell used the TE as his safety valve. We missed the boat on Ausberry all season….
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
We'll see how he does in camp. And preseason.
Right now, our offense is featured around Moore, DHB, and McFadden, with a splash of Ford, Bush (don’t think he’ll be here though), and Boss. If Ausberry wants to take more reps, he needs to show that he can block, since a top 3 RB (when healthy) will be running the ball. I am interested in seeing his receiver skills though, which we won’t fully see until camp and preseason.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Henderson would be the next to go! Making 4 million and
being 4th on the depth chart for DT behind Seymour, Kelly, D. Bryant
IMO we have 3 for sure safe DL; Matt S. Lamarr H., and Desmond B. Everyone else will be on the block. As long as Seymour’s 7.5 million roster bonus doesn’t count against the cap; he may get to stay.
Every man for himself...
Henderson plays a ton for a guy 4th on the depth chart
And when he’s in the game the run defense almost looks like a……Well a run defense.
His contract amount and age may get him shown the door, but he’s been very consistent in plugging up the middle for us.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Routt already has two teams lined up ready to sign him!!! (Bills, Titans)
Cowboys and Atalanta want to bring him in for a visit as well;
Here’s the link from NFL.com
Every man for himself...
That "D" Is Due For An Overhaul!!!/_
These 12 players are young enough to make their contracts worthwhile:
"LB"s
Curry
Ro
Whimby
“DL”
ShawNasty
Houston
Moss
Scott
Bryant
"DB"s
Eugene
Branch
“MM”
Than we have these 5 rookies and 2nd yr players in development…
“DL”
Brodine
“LB”
Travis
"DB"s
McCann
“DVD”
“ChimChek”
That’s 17 potential roster spots on the “D” and we can add to it from the lower cost labor pool while perhaps bring in one or 2 top tier "FA"s with the funds we save and a few draft picks…Namely “CB”/“DT”…Or maybe move Houston inside???
I Think Kelley sill has some life and would be rather difficult to replace if we’re also moving Seymour…
Reggie is suppose to be the “Great Evaluator” so we shall see how creating it gets???
I think with the “O” now stabilized with the retention of Al Saunders and the additions of a quality “WR” coach/Run oriented “ZBS” “OC” w Duel Technique “OL” coaching Staff n Retention of our "RB"s coach that the “D” can be targeted for wholesale changes without going completely in the dumper for a season or two…
If this “O” can maintain or improve upon it’s top 10 status than we can still be in contention for a “PO” berth even if the “D” takes a little time to gel…Either way it should still be vastly improved over what we saw this past season…Top 20 at the least!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Get ready for the myth of the salary cap....According to "J-Mac"!!!
The whole term "cap-related" is a myth, as Tim Brown once explained to me years ago.
It’s never the productive player that gets released. It is the one the club deems to be overpaid, with the player determining he’d rather move on and cash a check somewhere else rather than take a salary the team feels is more in line with his contribution.
As for Michael Huff (due $8 million this season in roster bonus and salary), Tommy Kelly ($6 million in salary) and Richard Seymour ($15 million, half of it guaranteed), only McKenzie and Allen know for sure.
If the Raiders make moves with any of these players, it will have everything to do with production and little or nothing to do with the salary cap.
I doubt Seymour goes with us already on the hook for half that $15 Mil…May as well pay up and play the boy…That way we get something out of all that $$$$…
Just bite the bullet and view the $7.5 Mil already gone so all it costs us to keep Seymour in there another season is $7.5 Mil…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Also I Wouldn't Do Any Restructuring With Seymour...It Will Just Prolong The $$$$ Pains Into Another Season!!!
Why tie up our future Cap $$$$ for a retired player???…It is what it is this season so move on and deal with things that are easier like Huff who’s not guaranteed but over paid for what he brings to the table…
Kelly is prolley a keeper @ $6 Mil???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Cut Huff and his $8 Mil and we could afford to bring in a quality "CB" instead???
Eagles cornerback Asante Samuel…..said Friday he hasn’t received a clear indication he’s in the team’s plans for next season.
Samuel’s future, along with the team’s intentions for pending free-agent wide receiver DeSean Jackson, are two of the biggest offseason questions facing the Eagles.
Samuel’s contract likely plays a factor in the Eagles’ decision. The three-time All-Pro selection is set to make $8.4 million in base salary next season with a salary cap hit of $9.5 million, according to NFL.com research.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Feb 10, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree, we've all seen Enough of Huff!
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Let's just hope the new LBs coach is better than the old
Haven’t had a solid set of LBs in a long time, and coaching has got to be part of that.
was hoping he was gone last year
then they resigned him
About There
We keep waiting for Huff to step up. He plays different Safety positions each year because that is his natural position (there are only two FS and SS, pick one) and now at CB. Enough already.
by Mallard Davis on Feb 11, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Huff can go
did really want him back anyway.
Wimbley on the other hand is as grossly overpaid as Routt, if not worse.
That incredibly long salary list above didn’t really explain Wimbleys contract and how much it would cost us too get rid of him, because without Shaughnessy the whole D-line looked sorry .
I’d be interested in seeing a breakdown of Wimbleys contract and know how much he’s really costing us per year to get sacks only against backups.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
This ^ ... Also shines against back-up OTs
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind getting rid of Huff
But I’d rather bring in a younger DB for the price Samuel will be demanding.
I'd rather take a run at Finnegan then Samuel
Especially when you consider for all the money Samuel makes he’s only really good in a zone. Finnegan can flat out ball, and there is no other CB in the league that is really feared like him from a hitting standpoint.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sons..... this is how we DO IT!
Because remember, it was Saunders who actually devised each and every gameplan last season. Hue Jackson then used it like a menu, picking and choosing from it the actual plays to call on gameday. Plus, Saunders was the de facto quarterback coach. So he knows firsthand how much Carson Palmer could absorb in being flipped, so to speak, from a Darryl Lamonica mad bomber-type into a Rich Gannon accurate dink and dunker-type, and just where Terrelle Pryor is on the developmental scale.
“I hear our Train a’ coming!!!!!! No Jackson = NEW SUNRISE Brother!
Read more: Saunders’ knowledge key to Raiders offense
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
DMAC
comes back healthy AND can do what he hasn’t done, stay healthy, the offence will be fine. Keeping Saunders and Palmer is the way to go.
by raiders4liffe on Feb 11, 2012 4:02 AM PST up reply actions
That's the way I see it too.
Hey, I’ve got a question that you might be able to advise on: choosing between a Marlin 45-70 SBL lever and a Ruger 375 bolt … I’m also intrigued w/ Ruger’s .458 Lott (No. 1 Tropical).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
The age old message has been served BROTHERS.........
Ass , Grass or Gas…. NOBODY rides for FREE! Learn it ,Love it , EXPERIENCE IT!!!!
Raiders could save $35 million
just by cutting Carson? He could be the next cut, we will only have to pay him $5 million to do so.
And the nominee for worst post of the year??
Congratulations rnpljnsn!! APPLAUSE APPLAUSE, get over it!! carson is our qb and campbell is gone, there is no WAY carson is cut. Who is our next qb if he is? downgrade back to campbell? boller? pryor? smh….
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Carson should restructure to help out the team
to prove he is a team player. He has 8 million in the bank after all.
He could give back about half of his future take to get some better players in here to keep the other teams from scoring at will against us or to help bring back Bush.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I think he will
I remember hearing a quote from him when he was asked about him retiring.
It’s not verbatim but he said something like “I have 85 million in the bank. I’m not playing for money”
So it wouldn’t be too far of a reach to get him to re-structure his deal.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what Al would have done when Cambell went down. I suspect he'd have pushed TP and (ironically) we would not
have finally acquired the one man who most resembles the Mad Bomber – Daryle Lamonica.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Remeber
TP did not have a proper training camp as he came late through the supplemental draft ANDhe was suspended for those 4-5 games. It wouldn’t have worked in any fashion. I speculate that AD would have picked another vet, not Palmer with those 2 picks.
by raiders4liffe on Feb 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
That didn't stop Al from starting Jamarcus back in '07
We will never know, but I doubt he would get rid of another (possibly 2) first round picks for Palmer…I’m glad Carson is in Oakland but Hue and company definitely paid too much for him…
Can't recall any QB
who sat out training camp and did well. Akili Smith held out bombed, Leaf may have missed time, Jamarcus missing training camp and sitting for 12-13 weeks, than starting the last 2 games. TP will actually be an “advanced” rookie and it’s a solid thing for him to hit the offseason with Saunders. He could earn the backup spot as opposed to be given because we do not have another QB.
by raiders4liffe on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Nice to see you guys heading somewhere
See the cincy model….get out all of the waste and knuckleheads….draft the future of the franchise….build around it….YOU GUYS NEED A QB….what are you guys going to do??I am biased obviously against Palmer but even you guys have to admit…he is not the future…Your draft is terrible this year…You need to make some serious moves in FA…
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
One decent year and all the sudden the Bengals are the model franchise, lol
Thanks for dropping by with the gratuitous carson blast, we’ll be fine
by lchristmas on Feb 11, 2012 8:12 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Carson Verses Dalton Stats
Dalton 516att. 300comp. 58.1pct 3398yds. 6.6avg. 202.4yds/g 84long 20td 13int 84.4rat.
Palmer 328att 199comp 60.7pct 2753yds 8.4avg 263.4yds/g 78long 13td 16int 80.5rat
Carson did this coming off the couch in the middle of the season, I can’t wait to see what he does in 2012 with some actual time to get in shape and work with the team in training camp.
Bengals go to the playoffs and lose again, maybe the problem had nothing to do with CP.
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
by GoldCityRaider on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They won't even get that far
The only reason the Bengals made it this year is because we blew it. And they had the biggest creampuff schedule in the NFL. I haven’t seen who they play this year but I can tell you if 8 of those teams were above 500 last year they won’t get anywhere near the playoffs.
But year Dalton is the savior right? I’m sure he’s going to be a top 3 talent. And if you beleive that then there is a bridge I’d really be interested in selling to you.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, Dalton played pretty well for a 2nd round rookie
And AJ Green looked legit. We’ll see how things shake out over the next couple of years, but I’d say the Bengals have a couple good young players on their team for the first time in quite a while.
Yeah but that magic won't be there this year
When the film is out and Green is double covered. If the Bungles don’t get another outside threat to keep a defense honest they won’t be doing shit.
And sure I think Dalton had a good season. But considering the fact that Palmer put up roughly the same stats with 6 less starts, suggests to me that he is a long ways away from being a serious threat.
And really dude the Bungles schedule was ridiculously easy. It’s not hard to look good when the only playoff teams you go up against were just the ones in your division. I don’t count the Texans because they played the Texans-Lite….And still lost.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 11, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sophomore Jinx
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
No doubt they had an easy schedule
I’m basically just not going to pass judgement on Dalton until I’ve seen more of him. I think he had a solid season. Nothing great, but he showed promise. Not that I really care about the Bengals one way or another.
well.
Jerome Simpson is a solid #2..phenomenally athletic – he and gresham are enough to keep Green from being doubled all the time…and Green is good enough to beat double teams anyway
If they improve the defense and RB position, they can be just as good or better
How will he help from prison or his suspension?
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Great comment.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Compairing Dalton to Palmer WHY?
Yes Palmer came to us half way through the season but he’s a vet and the game and lingo can easier to him. Dalton had NO training camp, NO time to get to know his WR,O-Line, Coaches and the playbook. Bengals did him a flavor by running to set up the pass,that is why his number are similar to Palmer. Next year the Bengals need to address a running game with 2 #1 picks they can address that and also improve another position we have nothing until the 5th round ( and for people who think we’re getting anything more than a 3rd for Nnamdi your crazy) we address the Gallery/Miller F.A by signing Boss and drafting Wisniewski, so the league will give us nothing for that sorry maybe a couple of 6th picks if we’re lucky
Uh huh
And you guys managed to draft a guy who had almost exactly the same first year stats as Palmer. Deja vu.
we have 6 draft picks, almost the same as everybody else
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Compensatory
3rd for Nnam
4th for Miller
5th for Gallery
6th or 7th for Howard plus the 2 picks we already had
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
There are only 32 comp picks handed out we are not getting 4 comps...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
this...
not to mention I don’t think we’ll be getting a 4th for Miller. I didn’t look at his stats, but something tells me he wasn’t as amazing with the seahawks.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
What would you like to bet that we do?
And stats are only a miniscule factor in this, it’s the contract. Going by your logic, we couldve had an undrafted rookie leave after 4 years, and go score 28 TD’s as an RB and you’d think we get something in return?? Salaries are the main factor when it comes to giving Compensatory picks. Miller left for a fat contract and we cancelled our chances at a 3rd round pick by signing boss. We will get 4 comp picks, look it up.
by NATIONSGREATEST on Feb 15, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever your smoking send it my way!
I would like you to be right but “c’mon man” you can’t be serious!
In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.
If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as “supplemental compensatory selections”).
Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.
Notice some of the key words are might! Not will…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
My opinion
I have always like Huff. Under better guidance, he can be that guy. Tommy Kelly…the guy has heart and passion to win. I think this is key and he needs to stay. He may not live up to the money he’s making, but the same can be said about many on defense that played worse than he did. Seymour seems like a loyal guy and hopefully restructures. Cooper needs to go, plan and simple. Everyone says we are hurting at CB and while this does hold some truth, we have 2 great young players in DVD and Chekwa. If we can bring in atleast 1 solid CB from free agency I think we will be okay. Rumors have Chekwa moving to FS and we all know about Huff supposedly moving to CB…so we will see how this situation pans out. I really like Gio….but as a #2. The ball just seemed to find this guy wherever he was, but do not forget he did get lit up a few times.
Do we need Bush back…hmmmm if he is cheap enough and learns how to block, then ABSOLUTELY! He is a 1 dimensional, plow you up the middle back. If he does not come back, I see Reece having a much larger impact in 2012. He can block, catch and run with the ball. If he became a HB first and FB second, then I guess we keep Tonga to fill the FB spot when Reece is in the backfield. I would love to see Saunders sketch some HB draws( when passing game is on point) and screens for Reece!!! DHB has become our #1, Moore is our #2 and Ford is our #3. DHB and Moore stretch the field of play and with Fords speed and size…he resembles a Wes Welker type of player. Sure, Ford can play on the outside and line him up there a few times a game, but I still think he would play better in the slot. He is very physical and makes great catches but his height does hinder him slightly. Murphy has a lot of heart and passion just like Tommy Kelly. Murph was the only player on the team trying to hype the offense up against SD…Do not forget he was our star WR before DHB came into his own and we got Moore. As much as I like Schilens on paper he has not panned out. A guy with his size and ability could be a :gasp: Vincent Jackson type of player…IMO anyways but his injuries are never-ending! I’d keep Murph as a #4 over Schilens and let Murph’s heart drive him to become better.
Heart? Murphy's heart sunk to his nether region. The man quit several routes that caused interceptions and on two occaisions
(that I’ve seen on film) he brought disgrace to himself and the Silver & Black wussing out on the route to avoid contact.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Murphy hasn't been
“right” since last year’s injury. Got re-injured early in the season and simply isn’t the same player thatwe saw run up the field to make 2 crazy blocks 50 yrds up during his rookie season. He’s timid with aligator arms when he goes up the middle. He may be damaged goods.
by raiders4liffe on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Trevor Scott
Too bad he is a free agent. Marshall used him correctly and he was a beast. With Panda at the helm I forgot he was on the team.
Mark Hutson as the new TE coach.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Feb 11, 2012 3:19 PM PST reply actions
Nick Holz from Stanford added to Offensive Staff
From what I can find he has been a Quality Assurance guy for Stanford, probably an assistant for someone.
"Committed To Excellence" Mostly just "Committed" though
New Hire
Raiders Have Hired Johnny Flynn as their secondary Coach. Former coach of the Eagles
by 2Raiders0 on Feb 11, 2012 9:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Eag's gave up 27 passing TDs (by comparison we gave up 31)
Phili’s DBs were exploited 58.1% of all throws against them being completed. cf. Raiders w/ ‘only’ 53.9% comp. against.
… and a meager 15 interceptions (even we had 18)
So what is it about their Pass D that got them rated as 10th (cf. Raiders finishing 27th)? …
Probably the 50 sacks has a lot to do with it.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
They also had an offensive line coach turned DC with no defense experience whatsever
They also had Nam…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Also as of Friday Richard Seymour’s deal of 2 yrs 30mill is official all guranteed
by 2Raiders0 on Feb 11, 2012 9:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Richard Seymour will be getting paid 15mill for 2012
by 2Raiders0 on Feb 11, 2012 9:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I heard
We might be rehiring Clayton Lopez Db coach
McClain has another year to prove himself to the new coaching staff and if they which to the 3-4 they’ll need him and Curry to man the middle where Wimberly and Blackstock on the outside. As for “Who’syourmomma” he is a one year deal so he gone and they be stupid to resign him when there is so much other talented players going to be avail. Big John Henderson in books should be released big guy medium talent and even less skill with a heavy contract. After that Sheppard is next on the cutting block he was beat on almost every play and should just retire (12yrs is enough). Huff will stay maybe at CB or back-up FS behind Gio. He tried the free market a couple of years ago and got no biters.Boller/ Coop/Barnes is next their time has came and gone as a Raider thank for stopping by. Pryor/Bruce Campbell’s /Joseph Barksdale time to step up. Now for restructuring contracts Seymour,Kelly,Curry,McFadden (If not traded) Palmer and Gio (show the man some love and pay him) If they are not willing to restructure their contracts see if there is any trade value we need the draft pick either this year or next
Defensive minded coaches (and GM), some with linebacker experience- both playing and coaching - will not suffer the likes
of Blackstock and Groves … and McClain will be dealt for a corner or Safety and Goethel and Curry will play ILB with Scott and Wimbley playing OLB.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 12, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds good to me
Where do I sign?
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Darren McFadden should have been added. The guy just cannot stay healthy. If he get hurt in training camp and Taiwan shows they no longer need to waste the money and roster position on him then they will cut him loose albeit by trade or any other means.
He has had one serious injury
(granted, that we were lied to about).
The numbers of people that want to chuck him out like hes chaz schilens are incredible to me
by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Just makes no sense whatsoever,,,,
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Problem with that boils down to 2 facts.
1. When healthy DMC is the best in the league.
2. Taiwan was just as hurt last year.
I’d rather hold onto DMC, and Taiwan and just hope their injuries do not occur at the same time next season.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
"Contrary to popular belief, Al Davis is in heaven. Satan did not want Al in his domain, since Al already owns 49% of Hell and has always been known as a "Demon's Owner" " - ME
Follow me on Twitter: @JasonViolation
by TheDudeAbides138 on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Do your homework.
These articles and the pools are fun to read, but get your stuff straight, man. You purge list is fairly inaccurate. Richard Seymour is not going anywhere. This story is dead, the deadline came and went for them to cut him before they had to bay him like $7 mil. They paid it. If he was in jeopardy, he would have been released BEFORE they had to pay that money out. As Routt was. So Seymour has to come off the poll. T.J. Houshmandzadeh’s contact expired. He’s a free agent. So the have to re-sign him if they want him. No purge there. Not on the pill list, but you mentioned Groves. His contract ended as well.
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