Jack'sAxe vs. Raidersfan21 Raiders Mock War

Raidersfan21 and I have thought about putting together a mock draft war, and see who you guys like the most.

We'll both use the same trade scenarios, and bring together players in certain positions that will hopefully help us in the next season. Keep in mind, that this post will be VERY long. We'll each have some descriptions, some video, etc. to help make our case for the draft we chose.

So bear with us, and choose whichever mock draft you like more.

And here is the trade value chart. Though we both used the same picks I used in my offensive mock draft (same trade downs and the like)


All Draft Profiles are from CBS Draft

Raiders Trade #3 Pick for Lions #5 Pick, #36 (2nd round, 3rd pick).

Raiders Trade #5 Pick for Cincinnati's #21, #37 (2nd round, 5th pick), and #53 (2nd round, 16th pick)

This gives us a 1st, and three 2nds to go with a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th according to:

#21st Pick of the Draft, Raiders Select: Datone Jones, DE 6'4" 280 lbs. UCLA



I diagnosed that with our first pick, we have to spend it on our biggest need: Pass Rusher.

This pick was between him and Dion Jordan, and while I love Jordan's ability to cover, Datone is better suited as a DE than him, and he has more tackles (62 total, 45 solo), more tackles for loss (19), more sacks (6.5), 2 QB hurries, 2 forced fumbles, and he even caught a TD pass. Here are his stats.

He is also versatile, where he can line up at DE, DT, and even NT. Although he would be best suited for End imo, but he does have that versatility. He uses his hands well, has good push, and has good pass rushing moves.

Latest News 01/23/2013 - 2013 Senior Bowl, Wednesday: Okafor, Jones lead impressive North defensive line...Jones, stouter at 6-4 (1/8) and a rock-solid 280 pounds, has seen time at left and right defensive end. Jones, who posted 19 tackles for loss for the Bruins but "just" 6.5 sacks is used to being moved around, as he saw time at virtually every position along the Bruins' defensive line throughout his career. His combination of quickness and strength results in an explosiveness that has been tough for the North defensive linemen to handle. He was able to simply bull-rush offensive linemen, including Fisher and Wisconsin's Ricky Wagner on multiple occasions. In prior years, Jones' 6-4, 280 pound frame may have earned him the dreaded 'tweener label. With so many clubs looking for "hybrid" defensive linemen capable of playing inside or out, however, he's earning high marks from talent evaluators for his versatility. - Rob Rang,

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  • Overview

    As NFL offenses increasingly turn toward the passing game, defensive coordinators are countering with hybrid defenders capable of lining up inside and out depending on the down and distance. As such, players like Jones, who has alternated between defensive tackle and defensive end over the past two seasons for the Bruins, offers great value to NFL teams featuring the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments, alike.

    Jones caught the imagination of UCLA coaches early in his career, appearing in 10 games (and starting two) as a true freshman (15 tackles). He broke out a season later, registering 30 tackles, including 11 tackles for loss and four sacks while opponents focused their attention on the disruptive Brian Price and Akeem Ayers.

    Rather than have his career take off in 2010 as hoped by the UCLA faithful, Jones was lost for the entire season after breaking his right foot in fall camp. He came back healthy but wasn't as productive as expected in 2011, posting 41 tackles with 6.5 tackles for loss and three sacks.

    Unleashed by an aggressive defense implemented by new head coach Jim Mora, however, Jones emerged as one of the Pac-12's most productive defensive linemen as a senior, notching career highs in tackles (57), tackles for loss (17.5) and sacks (six) to earn all-conference honors.


    STRENGTHS: Well-built athlete with long arms and good strength, throughout. Flashes an explosive initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands well at the snap to rip free from blocks, showing a variety of pass rush techniques (swim, rip, club), as well as enough power to simply bull over offensive linemen into the backfield.

    Keeps his head up and locates the football quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper-body strength to lock-out opponents and seal the edge. Stout enough to slide inside to defensive tackle, especially on obvious pass rush downs. Enjoyed a breakout senior campaign and may be just scratching the surface of his potential.

    WEAKNESSES: A classic 'tweener who until his senior season hadn't ever lived up to expectations. Lacks the sustained speed and flexibility to turn the corner as a traditional 4-3 defensive end. Lacks the bulk to handle full-time duties as a traditional defensive tackle. Has a tendency to stand up as he comes off the ball, losing out on the leverage battle. Uses his hands well initially but tires quickly and struggles to disengage once his opponent has locked on.

    COMPARES TO: Robert Ayers, DE, Denver Broncos -- Like Ayers, Jones has flashed talent throughout his collegiate career but has been racked with inconsistency. His versatility and big senior season could push a team to gamble on his upside early.

    --Rob Rang

    Raiders with their 2nd Round, 5th Pick Selects: Phillip Thomas, FS 6'1" 210 lbs. Fresno State



    Thomas is one of the more not so well known safeties of this class. Why I chose a safety you may ask? We have no one back there other than Branch, and a 3rd safety in Mitchell (who lets be honest, can pretty much blitz and thats it). Thomas has very good instincts, and tackling ability, and we need a playmaker back there.

    Let me list off these stats: 8 INTs (3 TDs), 84 total tackles (66 solo!), 12 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 5 passes broken up, 1 QB hurry, 4 forced fumbles.


    Blame it on the so-called "East Coast bias" or the horrific leg injury that ended Thomas' 2011 season before it even began. For whatever reason, the playmaking free safety has not generated the national attention he has deserved throughout a terrific career with the Bulldogs.

    Blessed with good physical traits and even more impressive instincts and toughness, Thomas has proven himself to be a natural playmaker over four starting seasons with the Bulldogs. He's responsible for producing 20 turnovers (13 interceptions, six forced fumbles, one fumble recovery) over his career and joined Alabama's Dee Milliner and Mississippi State's Johnthan Banks as a finalist for the 2012 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defender.

    It isn't difficult to understand why, as Thomas led the country with eight interceptions over the regular season (three of which he has returned for touchdowns) and forced five fumbles in leading Fresno State to a share of the Mountain West crown in its first season in the conference.

    Only the fact that Thomas' success has come against WAC and Mountain West competition is likely to keep teams from using a top 100 selection on him.

    A Thorpe Award candidate with an FBS-leading leading eight interceptions (including three he's returned for touchdowns), Thomas is the best safety most haven't heard of.


    Positives: Well proportioned athlete with good straight-line speed, agility and terrific closing speed. Very good anticipatory skills. Recognizes where the play is going and arrives in time to make a play, whether it be against the run or the pass. Reliable ball-skills. Tracks the ball well, showing good leaping ability and soft hands to pluck the ball from the air. Physical hitter. Lowers his shoulder into the ball-carrier to make the forceful hit and wraps securely to assure the tackle. Possesses the light feet and surprisingly fluid hips to drop down and cover receivers out of the slot. Very good open-field running ability, due to his agility, speed and vision to be a threat with the ball in his hands.

    Negatives: May not possess top-end timed speed some teams are looking for in a true centerfielder against NFL passing attacks. Trusts his instincts and will occasionally get burned when gambling on play-action or double-moves by receivers. Missed the entire 2011 season with a broken left leg and dislocated left ankle that occurred during a non-contact drill just three days prior to the Bulldogs' first game.

    Compares To: Michael Griffin, FS, Tennessee Titans -- Like Griffin, Thomas boasts an impressive combination of size, athleticism and playmaking ability.

    --Rob Rang

    Don't say we don't need a guy like this in our secondary.

    Raiders with their 2nd Round, 6th Pick: Jordan Poyer, CB 6'0" 182 lbs. Oregon St.



    Speaking of secondary, I know that we need a CB too. Poyer is regarded as one of the best cover corners in the draft. He has good height, hip movement, and can jump well. He has good tackling ability as well. And has some ability to return punts.

    Stats: 7 INTs (1 TD), 50 total tackles (33 solo), 5 tackles for loss, 2 sacks, 7 passes broken up, 1 forced fumble.

    Raiders with their 2nd Round, 16th Pick: Larry Warford, OG 6'3" 333 lbs. Kentucky



    Despite the small image, you know the guy is big. He is good in pass protection, and strong against the run. I figured that we need a RG to help out on that right side, and I believe Warford can provide quality protection for Palmer, while using his size and strength to contribute in the run game.


    For some the University of Kentucky will always be known more basketball than football. While the Wildcats' football team certainly has a long way to go before challenging their their hoopster counterparts, the team quietly has produced a number of solid NFL prospects in recent years, not the least of which is Green Bay's Randall Cobb, Buffalo's Steve Johnson, and Denver's Jacob Tamme. While Warford hasn't produced the gaudy statistics of his pass-catching predecessors, he's consistently proven himself a standout against SEC competition.

    Warford ended his Kentucky career having played in 47 games, including starting the last 37 consecutively. Conferences coaches recognized him with a spot on the SEC All-Freshman team in 2009 and he earned Second Team all-league honors each of the next two years.

    Warford saved his best for last, however. He did not allow a single sack all season long and was the first Kentucky offensive lineman to earn AP All-American recognition since Warren Bryant was recognized in 1976.

    Considering his frame and experience, Warford may get looks at center as well as his customary right guard position by scouts. Warford's girth and inconsistent footwork are concerns but he's likely to challenge for a spot amongst the top 100 picks in 2013. That would be quite the accomplishment considering that the last Kentucky offensive linemen selected in the NFL draft was guard Todd Perry, who the Chicago Bears selected in the fourth round back in 1993.


    Strengths: Possesses a short, squatty frame with broad shoulders, making him difficult for defensive tackles to slip past when he's in pass protection. Surprising balance and lateral agility in pass protection, showing the ability to slide in either direction. Strong hands which he uses to grab hold of the chest plate of the defender and pull him in close, negating any quickness or arm-length advantage the defender might have... Shows good awareness to handle surprise blitzes and the competitiveness to finish off defenders that he sees off-balance. At least adequate initial quickness when getting out to pull. Uses his girth and impressive initial explosive pop to knock defenders off the ball.

    Weaknesses: Carries too much weight around his middle. Slow, even for a man of his size. Lacks the straight-line speed to consistently get to the second level in time to make blocks on the move. Drops his head, at times, making him vulnerable to swim moves by quicker defensive tackles.

    Compares To: Uche Nwaneri, OG, Jacksonville Jaguars -- With a similar body-type, mauling style and level of durability, Warford could join Nwaneri as a dependable starter in the NFL.

    Rob Rang

    Raiders 3rd Round, 3rd Pick select: Brandon Williams, DT/NT 6'2" 341 lbs. Missouri Southern State



    Yeah we need a DT/NT. Bryant and Seymour are in free agency (hope we sign Bryant), and we do not have a solid rotation in at the DT position. I also do not think he weighs that much, but whatever. Williams is an underrated NT/DT, who with a solid combine will definitely be a first rounder. I'll let the article do the talking (but here's an excerpt):

    Williams had an incredible senior season. He had 68 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, two pass breakups, eight quarterback hurries, five forced fumbles and a safety. Williams plays as a nose tackle, but is versatile enough to play any position from a 0-technique (lined up directly over the center), to a 5-technique (lined up on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle).

    There is also a video in there, as well as some video online but none that focus on Williams himself.

    Raiders 4th Round, 3rd Pick select: Sio Moore, 6'1" 240 lbs. OLB UCONN



    I thought about going for Kiko Alonso, but when I read, and saw, him taking himself out of plays, I figured the last thing we need is another potential bust with McClain. So I went with OLB Sio Moore, and thought of probably putting Wheeler at MLB.

    Sio reminds me of the Pats Rob Ninkovich. He can cover really well, pass rush, and set the edge. Despite his size, his skill set reflects BEST in this passing league (and I figured it would be an asset to have an OLB who can cover very well against Manning).


    While the NFL generally prefers bigger, bulkier linebackers with the game shifting to more of a passing attack, speed and instincts in coverage are proving valuable commodities on draft day, which is why Moore is earning significant attention from scouts.

    Moore registered 274 career tackles for the Huskies as a three-year starter while proving his ability to make an impact at the line of scrimmage, behind it and as a pass defender.

    More than a few NFL teams are likely to give him a top 100 grade.


    STRENGHTS: Reads the action quickly and has the speed to close, making him a classic 4-3 weak-side linebacker candidate. He was a versatile performer in college with good production as a hybrid linebacker for the Huskies, not looking out of place when asked to play in space against either the run or pass. Even in non-contact drills at the Shrine Game, Moore's competitive drive and explosive hitting ability were evident.

    WEAKNESSES: At his size, Moore will need to continue to improve his strength in taking on and shedding blocks.

    --Rob Rang

    That's all? Improve strength, and some block shedding (which he does fine imo)? Huh.... well okay then. No other negatives to list here. lol

    Sio Moore's stats: 72 total tackles (45 solo), 15.5 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks, 11 passes broken up, 2 QB hurries

    Raiders 5th Round Pick: Montori Hughes, 6'4" 327 lb DT, Tennessee Martin



    I know that we drafted Brandon Williams, but if you are going to have fat guys on the DL you better have someone else who can sub in for them when they need a breather... or provide a heavy front....

    Judging by the video, I like how he uses his hands at the LOS, is able to move around on the DL, provide constant double team attention, can play NT or DT. He looks good against the run, but he will likely not offer much of a pass rush.

    The only stats I can gather here are: 42 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, 4 sacks

    Which is pretty good for a NT/DT imo. Would be interesting to pair him next to Brandon Williams though.

    Raiders 6th Round Pick: Manase Foketi, 6'5" 333 lb OT, West Texas A&M



    Yeah a big OT.... honestly, I tried looking for others, but after reading the description, and thinking we need some depth at OT, I think this is a solid pickup.


    Foketi has a stout, lengthy frame with aggressive hand use and the ability to handle speed rushers. He needs to clean up his fundamentals, but the raw skills are there for him to make a pro roster.

    --Dane Brugler

    Sounds like all we need is to coach him up a bit. If he can handle speed rushers, then that is a good sign. For a 6th rounder, I think this is a solid pickup.

    Also check out this little nugget:

    Latest News 11/28/2012 - GENE UPSHAW DIVISION II LINEMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD FINALIST: Manase Foketi (Hesperia, Calif.) has been a dominating left tackle for West Texas A&M, which has reached the NCAA Quarterfinals for the first time in school history. He graded out at 95 percent in all of the team's games and helped the Buff's offense gain 345.15 passing yards per game and 485.0 yards per game. That total ranks eighth. He also blocks for Dustin Vaughan, who is a Harlon Hill finalist and ranks seventh nationally in total offense. - Gene Upshaw Award

    I believe this is Foketi, but this is on another school so I'm not so sure (well I'm pretty sure it;s him, since it's his name and all). Enjoy the 23 seconds of footage!

    Raiders 7th Round Pick: Marquess Wilson, WR 6'3" 188 lbs. Washington State



    I figured why not go for a tall WR with a lot of potential in the 7th round. We have had some good success with WRs in the lower rounds before, and he looks really good.


    Wilson enters his junior season as the most highly regarded pro prospect from Washington State since cornerback Marcus Trufant was selected No. 11 overall by the Seattle Seahawks in 2003.

    As the featured target in Paul Wullf's offense, Wilson's production has been spectacular. He wasted little time in proving to be a difference-maker for Washington State, breaking the school's freshman records for catches (55) and receiving yards (1,006) and tying the all-time mark in touchdown receptions (five) from a first-year player.

    Wilson's numbers not only stood out against former Cougars, his 55 catches led all NCAA freshman receivers in 2010. Despite a revolving door at quarterback last year, Wilson was fantastic in 2011, shattering school records with 82 grabs for 1,388 yards and ranking second in WSU history with 12 touchdown catches.

    Needless to say, there is a great deal of anticipation as to what Wilson could accomplish as the focal point in Mike Leach's high-octane passing attack. An All-American season or perhaps even a shot at the Biletnikof Award certainly seems possible, as does a potentially high draft pick whenever Wilson should elect to make himself eligible to the NFL.


    Though not a classic burner, the lean and athletic Wilson is a natural pass-catcher with impressive body control and deceptive speed.

    Wilson needs to continue to get bigger and stronger (on tape he looks closer to 175), make his route-running a bit more precise and try to develop a bit more explosiveness. He's a naturally long-strider who is at his best running under Jeff Tuel's deep balls or using his long arms and body control to beat defenders in jump-ball situations.

    --Rob Rang

    It appears you'll have to actually watch it on youtube. Gotta say though, he looks really good for a 7th rounder.


    (21) Alec Ogletree ILB Georgia 6-3/235



    McClain will be gone soon. Alec Ogletree would be a perfect replacement. Well, not really. To be a replacement you have to replace something and McClain was a nothing. Ogletree is a former safety and his coverage skills have stayed with him to his transition to linebacker. He was a leader on a talented Georgia defense. He led the team in tackles even though he was suspended for the first 4 games. He can lay wood, cover, stop the run, and will bring some aggressiveness to the Raiders Defense.

    Alec Ogletree UGA Sophomore Highlights (via Meast521)

    (36) Chase Thomas OLB Stanford 6-4/248



    Chase Thomas is a football player and that’s what Reggie McKenzie is looking for. He’s a smart football player that has a nose for the ball. He would play strong side linebacker for the Raiders and could even put his hand in the dirt on passing downs. He’s very good at pass rushing and would give Tarver another weapon to send at the QB. In my opinion the most well rounded defensive prospect in this year’s draft. He can stop the run, rush the QB, drop into coverage, and is a leader on and off the field. Chase Thomas, Alec Ogletree, Miles Burris, and Philip Wheeler would be a solid young line backing core.

    Chase Thomas for Lott IMPACT Trophy (via StanfordFball)

    (37) Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech 6-0/200



    Patton was a stud in the senior bowl practices. Showed he could play against better corners. With DHB likely out the Raider need another receiver. Streater, Patton, and Criner would be a nice stable of possession receivers while Moore and Ford supply the deep threat. Although Patton has showed on tape he can go deep as well. Cutting DHB and replacing him with Patton would save the Raiders a truck load of money that would allow them to spend some on the Offensive Line in free agency. Maybe Jake Long will want to play for his former coach Tony Soprano (Now Raiders line coach) Patton had a career-game against Texas A&M. He finished with 21 catches for 233 yards (11.1 average) and four touchdowns.

    Quinton Patton Highlights HD 2012 (via Alex Whiteman)

    (57) Brandon Jenkins DE Florida State 6-3/265



    Jenkins had a breakout season in 2010 as a first-year starter at right end. He led Florida State in sacks while the Seminoles led the nation in sacks. Jenkins notched 13.5 sacks with 21.5 tackles for a loss. He had five multi-sack games and was voted the team's MVP. He got double teamed all of 2011 and only recorded 7.5 sacks, because all of the focus on him his teammate Bjoeren Werner was able to break out. Jenkins broke his foot week 1 of his senior year. Jenkins is athletic enough to stand up in the 3-4 and stay at his current position at RE in the 4-3 at the next level. Jenkins is best at pass rushing and will have to learn how to play the run better at the next level.

    3rd Round Leon McFadden CB SDSU 5-10/195



    My only knock on McFadden is his size and Reggie likes bigger corners. The Raiders have a handful of younger corners that played decent towards the end of the season. McFadden is a nice development pick though and could really turn into something.

    San Diego State's Leon McFadden stood out in Senior Bowl practice. He jumped Tavarres King's out route and had a nice interception in one-on-ones. He stuck to receivers like glue, was balanced and under control. He didn't turn and run vertically much, but he has looked sharp defending short-to-intermediate routes on several one-on-one and seven-on-seven reps. –ESPN’s Mel Kiper

    McFadden missed the game with an injury.

    Leon McFadden Highlights (via Brian Murphy)

    4th round Brandon Williams NT Missouri Southern State 6-3/335



    Williams is a small school prospect that I really like. He’s a project player with a ton of potential.

    Brandon Williams is a gigantic man who plays defensive line for Division II Missouri Southern State University in the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Williams is 6’3", 325 pounds and was recently named MIAA defensive player of the year.

    Williams had an incredible senior season. He had 68 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, two pass breakups, eight quarterback hurries, five forced fumbles and a safety. Williams plays as a nose tackle, but is versatile enough to play any position from a 0-technique (lined up directly over the center), to a 5-technique (lined up on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle).

    During his senior season, Williams broke the Missouri Southern sack record, and he finished with 27 sacks during his career at school. To make it clear, Williams is not just a sack artist, but a complete football player who can stop the run and get to the quarterback.

    I got the chance to talk to Williams after his senior season ended. He is a charming, engaging, vibrant young man who left me with a very positive impression of who he is, both as a football player and as a person. I imagine that teams are going to fall in love with him during the pre-draft process where they get to meet with him.

    The first question I asked was what position he played in college.

    "I would be a nose guard".

    I asked him what position he projected himself to play in the NFL.

    "I can play in either scheme, a 3-4 or 4-3 because in college I played the whole D-line and then, and when we went to our 3-3 stuff, I was the outside 5-tech as well as over the center. I played in any and every position, so I am comfortable playing in any scheme."

    I asked him what his strength did for him playing along the interior of the defensive line. I wondered if he liked throwing offensive linemen around, so I asked if he liked to stack and shed, or get rid of double-teams.

    "It’s all of the above. Playing run stop, playing pass, breaking down double-teams, that was really great. Also, it gives me great pleasure getting off of the ball, the first couple of steps, getting into the offensive linemen and pushing him back two or three yards, it puts pressure on the quarterback as well as giving the running back a hard time to pick a hole."

    We talked about the number of sacks that he has, and how he could get that much pressure on the quarterback from the middle of the defensive line. I asked him how he felt about putting up the number of sacks that he has.

    "It feels good. It gives me opportunities to get into different positions and not stay in one position and it gives me a better advantage to use my talents more in a wider range. Playing defensive end, working the 5-technique on the tackle, I can play the run and play between the guard and the center, or I can play between the tackle and the guard."

    He explained that teams were triple-teaming him in the middle at the end of the season and his coaches put him outside to give him a better chance at making plays.

    I asked him what his favorite moment as a college athlete was.

    "My son was born recently and the first game he came to, I broke the school sack record, so that was probably the best time"

    -Scott Bischoff Walterfootball

    Finally there's Brandon Williams, a young man that struggled a lot early in the week to the point he didn't look like he belonged here. Williams was on the ground Monday but was a force by Thursday. He told me he went back to his room Monday night and decided to do a better job for his mom and 3-month-old son. He's got a fan in me after he recounted how his mother and brother lived in a car for a period of time when things were tough. – Scott Kirwan

    Article here.

    Williams has a good head on his shoulders and he might just be something.

    Brandon Williams - Drive To Make It (via Nick King)

    6th Round Marc Jackson OT Glenville State 6-6/330



    Jackson is still a raw lump of clay waiting to be molded, and his technique is still nowhere near NFL ready. Still, his physicality, bull-like strength and surprising quickness and agility for his massive size are certainly intriguing, and if given the right amount of time and patience, the intimidating lineman prospect could become a starting caliber right tackle or even kick inside to guard at the NFL level.-Danny Flynn

    Mark Jackson Highlights (via markjackson18)

    7th Round: Travis Bond OG North Carolina 6-7/330



    Bond is a tall, long lineman with good overall girth. Uses a strong punch and length to prevent tackles from reaching the quarterback, has quick enough feet to mirror and can widen to anchor. Shows good mobility for his size once he gets his body in motion, often pulling and leading runs downfield. Overpowers linebackers directly in his path, very tough to get off his block once engaged. Powerful when balanced on drive blocks, keeps his legs churning to push the pile. Flashes attitude to take his man away from piles as the whistle blows.-

    Bond needs to learn how to play on a good pad level and if he’s coached well then he could turn into a scary good guard for the Raiders.

    The Raiders are going back to mainly a PBS. They will likely draft some hogs that they can coach up.

    That's the end of both our Mock Drafts. Choose which one you like better! Make any comments on who we picked! Glad you read the whole post, and I hope you can appreciate at least the effort put into these mocks.

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